On the bright side, as far as copaganda goes it is pretty mild.
The cops are portrayed as human, and more often than not as incompetent idiots, the federal agents are almost exclusively portrayed as assholes, they never portray violation of rights or due process as a necessary evil, prison is portrayed as, quote, “real bad”, a pseudomasculine bigot gets punched in the face, a racist stop-and-frisker is unequivocally an asshole, the most competent cops eventually get sidelined, punished, or straight up quit in moral protest…
It is copaganda, but by the last season post-COVID and post-Floyd, you can feel the wind completely fall out of their sails. They try to wrap up the story quickly while acknowledging the ongoing horrors, and they do their best to recognize the role they played in romanticizing law enforcement by making it clear that everyone on the squad is disillusioned and disturbed by the system.
Several of them flat out quit, and they have an incredible scene of corruption in action where they make it clear that fixing the NYPD through its own internal buearacracy is literally impossible.
Still copaganda for most of the show’s run, and also absolutely a genuinely good comedy.
Edit: not that it’s much of a comedy, but it’s definitely a fantasy about how the executive branch should work if we had halfway ethical and competent people working there.
You kinda have to give any American sitcom at least half a season before you can really judge it. They pretty much all start out rubbish and it’s only when the actors grow into the roles can you tell if it’s actually gonna be good.
FWIW Brooklyn 99 was very much an ensemble comedy by the time it got going rather than primarily focusing on Samberg, even though he was still ostensibly the lead role.
Sorry I just said that because you said you couldn’t get through the first episode—I don’t think I’d have thought it was any good if that was all I saw either. The standard American sitcom rule I follow is 4-6 episodes before I can really tell if it’s actually gonna work, until that point the characters usually come across as 1 dimensional even if it ends up being good.
But fair play regardless, everyone likes different stuff!
No I get it. It took a few tries to get started in the office and in the wire also. I just don’t have the time anymore to wade through stuff that I just don’t really care for.
Right but just because you personally didn’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t a good comedy. I understand that you are now saying it’s not something you personally care for, but your original comment was stating that it being bad was objectively true. Like, I can say that I think The Simpsons is a bad comedy, and I could provide a bunch of data to back it up but I can’t say that The Simpsons is a bad comedy, because how did it get to 36 seasons in counting if people weren’t enjoying it?
Bro wtf are you talking about. You can try to break down my opinion if you want, who fucking cares.
I said “it was not very funny to me” how much more subjective can I be? I never said it was a bad show, I literally voiced my opinion. You need to go back and re-read.
Yeah CSI made you think that there was this dedicated team of people trying to get to the bottom of every case being very diligent and careful with every piece of evidence and the chain of custody, instead of a couple of dipshits who forget to label every baggie and throw everything to a box and toss it in the back room someplace.
csi made it seem like it was well funded/overfunded in the labs and investigations too. im pretty most of the funding goes into PR/campaigning and police salaries and pensions, rather than the operations to solve crimes.
CSI was fun but not as thirsty/sucking off as NCSI. on a several instances the showrunner was virtue signalling at the end of the episode for them, with a message.(its military propaganda but also ties into copaganda too since its on the “civilian side”
Same with CSI and… [unpopular opinion] Brooklyn 99.
Brooklyn 99 was a genuinely good comedy
It was also copaganda
On the bright side, as far as copaganda goes it is pretty mild.
The cops are portrayed as human, and more often than not as incompetent idiots, the federal agents are almost exclusively portrayed as assholes, they never portray violation of rights or due process as a necessary evil, prison is portrayed as, quote, “real bad”, a pseudomasculine bigot gets punched in the face, a racist stop-and-frisker is unequivocally an asshole, the most competent cops eventually get sidelined, punished, or straight up quit in moral protest…
It is copaganda, but by the last season post-COVID and post-Floyd, you can feel the wind completely fall out of their sails. They try to wrap up the story quickly while acknowledging the ongoing horrors, and they do their best to recognize the role they played in romanticizing law enforcement by making it clear that everyone on the squad is disillusioned and disturbed by the system.
Several of them flat out quit, and they have an incredible scene of corruption in action where they make it clear that fixing the NYPD through its own internal buearacracy is literally impossible.
Still copaganda for most of the show’s run, and also absolutely a genuinely good comedy.
Fantasy comedy
Much like The West Wing
Edit: not that it’s much of a comedy, but it’s definitely a fantasy about how the executive branch should work if we had halfway ethical and competent people working there.
Watched it all again last year. Love me some competency porn.
I don’t know. If anything shows how blatantly corrupt cops are, it is that show.
the MSMs would never allow it, especially if the owners are conservaties too.
It can be both
I don’t disagree
but not as hard as the current shows though.
It wasn’t. It had a few good lines/scenes, but not very funny to me at all. Couldn’t make it through the first episode, Sandberg just isn’t funny.
You kinda have to give any American sitcom at least half a season before you can really judge it. They pretty much all start out rubbish and it’s only when the actors grow into the roles can you tell if it’s actually gonna be good.
FWIW Brooklyn 99 was very much an ensemble comedy by the time it got going rather than primarily focusing on Samberg, even though he was still ostensibly the lead role.
I tried. I like all the actors, but Sandberg and just couldn’t do it. I’d rather rewatch scrubs or the office again.
Sorry I just said that because you said you couldn’t get through the first episode—I don’t think I’d have thought it was any good if that was all I saw either. The standard American sitcom rule I follow is 4-6 episodes before I can really tell if it’s actually gonna work, until that point the characters usually come across as 1 dimensional even if it ends up being good.
But fair play regardless, everyone likes different stuff!
No I get it. It took a few tries to get started in the office and in the wire also. I just don’t have the time anymore to wade through stuff that I just don’t really care for.
Right but just because you personally didn’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t a good comedy. I understand that you are now saying it’s not something you personally care for, but your original comment was stating that it being bad was objectively true. Like, I can say that I think The Simpsons is a bad comedy, and I could provide a bunch of data to back it up but I can’t say that The Simpsons is a bad comedy, because how did it get to 36 seasons in counting if people weren’t enjoying it?
Bro wtf are you talking about. You can try to break down my opinion if you want, who fucking cares.
I said “it was not very funny to me” how much more subjective can I be? I never said it was a bad show, I literally voiced my opinion. You need to go back and re-read.
Yeah CSI made you think that there was this dedicated team of people trying to get to the bottom of every case being very diligent and careful with every piece of evidence and the chain of custody, instead of a couple of dipshits who forget to label every baggie and throw everything to a box and toss it in the back room someplace.
csi made it seem like it was well funded/overfunded in the labs and investigations too. im pretty most of the funding goes into PR/campaigning and police salaries and pensions, rather than the operations to solve crimes.
It goes like this: “Are they black? If so, we won’t even elaborate.”
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Yeah as much as I love Jake and Amy and Captain Holt, B99 is copaganda. Once I saw it that way, I couldn’t watch it anymore.
CSI was fun but not as thirsty/sucking off as NCSI. on a several instances the showrunner was virtue signalling at the end of the episode for them, with a message.(its military propaganda but also ties into copaganda too since its on the “civilian side”