Feddit post in support of zionism 
Hi.
In the past few days, discontent regarding mod decisions in this community has been brewing, particularly when it comes to comments on Palestine, Israel, and Israeli politics and actions. There are also misunderstandings regarding mod intention and German law. We hope to clear that up with this post.
While the servers of feddit.org are in Austria, most of the mods of this community as well as admins of this server live in Germany. Speaking of, our server admins have also posted a write-up on the same topic.
And with that, let’s go:
In Germany, antisemitism is specifically sanctioned in German criminal law, both for speech and as a motivation for other criminal behavior. In addition, Germany seeks to protect the Jewish state of Israel (the so-called “Reason of State” introduced in 2008) and thus verges toward protecting Zionism as well. Certain criticism of Israel/Israelis is also categorized as “Israel-related antisemitism”.
Since criminal law is involved, enforcement can mean things like police raids and device confiscations. After such police action, it does not really matter if it was appropriate or if cases are dropped or never charged: The damage is done. All told, it’s not that fun.
There is also no point in engaging in discussions about the veracity of statements that could get us into legal trouble. In addition, we believe that you can express most opinions without breaking rules.
Another post about they are totally not Zionazis 
Hello all,
in the last few days there have been some accusations against the moderators of !europe@feddit.org as well as against our admin team of being Nazis or Zionists, mainly because of the way of dealing with criticism of Israel.
We explicitly reject these accusations and will not tolerate such accusations. In particular, people who accuse others in this way without any concrete objective reason are not welcome on feddit.org. This is already covered by our rule of respectful interaction.
First of all, we would like to remind you, that the use of feddit.org must be compliant with the rights and regulations of the DACH region. This is explicitly mentioned in our instance rules, and includes Germany (D), Austria (A) and Switzerland (CH). The infrastructure of feddit.org is maintaind by the Fediverse Foundation, a non-profit association in Austria. Our Admin team, which takes care of the instance wide moderation, organization and supporting infrastructure operations, is based in Germany. Since we primarily target the German speaking coutries, we also try to comply with laws and regulations of Switzerland.
Even if we do not have to actively search for violations of the law, it is necessary to intervene after becoming aware of them. This includes, for example when moderators or admins receive messages about posts or comments, but also when such content is discovered by chance when browsing Lemmy.
In this instance, we fully support the moderators of !europe@feddit.org to potentially remove too much rather than too little in case of legal uncertainties.
One of the triggers for the current debate is this post, which followed the removal of a comment comparing National Socialism with the current situation in Israel, which can be considered a trivialization of National Socialism. Such statements can, among other things, lead to imprisonment. Among other things, the post claimed that the removal had a Zionist motive, an accusation that should always be supported by appropriate evidence and prior to which it should be ruled out that there are alternative explanations.
We will not be removing every comment that goes even remotely in this direction, but we reserve the right to permanently ban users from feddit.org who make unfounded accusations, such as labeling our instance, admins, moderators, or other users as Nazis or Zionists, without substantial supporting arguments. This is especially the case when this is recurring behavior and not an isolated incident.
This includes content such as this post by @Deceptichum@quokk.au, who was banned from our instance shortly before that post due to multiple incitements of violence and terrorism. This person also seems to be the admin of the instance quokk.au, or at least to have good relations to the admin, since we received a censure on Fediseer from quokk.au around the same time, in which we are being accused of being Zionists and Nazis, and @Deceptichum@quokk.au has suggested to defederate quokk.au from us (archive).
If this censure by quokk.au is not withdrawn in a timely manner, we will defederate quokk.au from our side for these unsubstantiated and untrue accusations. quokk.au is a relatively small instance with only a few local users, which tried to build an alternative news community that is not on one of the “big” instances. Unfortunately, this community also seems to be a poor alternative if this is how their admin typically acts.
People think cancel culture is real. Try being pro-palestinian in that country. I had anarchists tell that boycotting israhell is literally holocaust 2.0
Germany doesn’t ban Nazi symbology as an anti Nazi measure, they banned Nazi symbology because they were afraid that peoples would notice that they never fully denazify.
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we would like to remind you, that the use of feddit.org must be compliant with the rights and regulations of the DACH region
More like the DACHAU region
Germany was never denazified
Germany and uniting the left in sheer hatred and disgust. Name a better duo.
The German right-wing white supremacist instance engaging in censorship for the benefit of genocide loving zionazis???
What a shock, I can’t believe Germans of all people would become racist cowards who hide behind state decrees, truly no historical precedent
I cannot be, they ban anyone who uses the name nazi… but if you call it something else … like an alternitive for germany, then its TOTALY diffrent
Its only genocide if it looks like 1940s germany, well except when its israehellis doing it then its reverse genocide which is good again.
Entirely unsurprising and deeply unserious. The price to humanity for the West never de-Nazifying has been immense.
But have you considered that the Nazis where anti commie. and we cannot let the dirty commies win?
Your joke is less funny knowing people actually believe this…
If Israel were founded in Germany after ww2, these same pro-Israel types would be trying to enact the second Holocaust
That was never an option because it goes against the ideology of zionism.
Anti-federation 4everthey know their hosting other instances content as well and would be liable for that? Tempted to scare them into defedding everyone
The fun part is that it could genuinely lead to trouble with the cops. This country is one of the west’s most conservative societies, in the sense that the status quo is holy (and very popular among a large % of heavily moralistic and annoying people) and heavily enforced.
You’re telling me you can set up and maintain a federated Lemmy instance, but you just can’t figure out how a VPN and hosting things outside the Fourth Reich works?
Fuck off, fascists. The mask has already slipped—drop the act.
DB0 PTM post
whta does the M mean? 😄
Saw this on all so might as well comment. They kept insisting it was “because of german law” but ffs, we weren’t even asking them to break it. All they had to do was not downplay the genocide and not support the IDF, and they failed at that.
In the original thread which started it all i had feddit users arguing to me bullshit like “Gaza started the war” “Hamas and the IDF are JUST as bad” and the famous “You support palestine? Then, you support hamas???” when i didn’t even fucking bring up hamas at all. You can look at my comments too.
I banned lots of users there, and they went to ich_iel, then cried and demonized us for banning them (dbzer0 “downplays”/bans you if you don’t support hamas!!!) which, literally what? Of course, all of the other feddit users backed them up, too.
I know tons of germans who are LEGALLY pro palestine, they are using the law as an excuse to support genocide.
This shit is annoying. [Not] sorry for rant.
Edit: Forgot to mention, !europe@feddit.org splintered and somebody created !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com as a reaction. We’ll see how it goes.
Given PTMs commitment to being Western Chauvinist/drone left-punching com, it is supremely unsurprising to hear that it is full of Zionists
I support HamasIt’s unsurprising that Zionists will jump on weak “threats” in order to take a “legalistic” genocidal stance. It’s not that it is easy for them to not be Zionists and they failed, they used it as an opportunity to push for Zionism.
It’s very disappointing to see, especially since the admins are nice. This wasn’t about law, it was about morality. The arguments i had in YPTB was making me actively lose my mind, these people are so close minded. Don’t get me started on their shit talking about us too lol.
Lots of the users i banned were actively misrepresenting my arguments (to other feddit.org users). They genuinely believe i banned them for “NOT SUPPORTING KHAMAS” while they were throwing accusations, and both-siding genocide.
(translated and edited og german comments with english ones.This was just ONE argument i had that day, by the way.
I’m sick of that instance’s users. can’t wait till lemmy 1.0 has better instance blocking. I’m probably being very petty, but it bugs me insanely.
It’s anecdotal, of course, but the wave of Europeans coming from Reddit from that one drama, combined with Trump’s tariff nonsense, has resulted in many holier-than-thou European Nationalists on Lemmy. Like, many defending Imperialism and Colonialism, and more Zionists than ever, just because the US is fumbling its hegemony right now. The “Buy European” comms in particular tend to have well-meaning people protesting the US combined with Euro-Nationalists, using it as recruiting ground for European Exceptionalism as parties like the AfD gain massive ground.
Its not just you, the nationalists are there and they’re loud. A lot (not most, but a lot) of buy European users are well meaning, but the assholes who champion a “stronger and united Europe” (i.e. united imperialist front lol) can go fuck themselves. Supporting nations that are imperialist and whole heartedly supporting genocides is morally inexcusable.
Id honestly argue European liberals are miles worse than American ones. Their holier than thou, condescending tone and chauvinism is more infuriating than anything. American ones tend to just be self flagellating, while fully bootlicking the European ones.
I’m Arab and tbh this shit sucks. Seeing people on Lemmy supporting the countries that fully ravaged the middle east/global south is so depressing. And they are close minded about it too, always with the excuses and downplaying. It feels like an echo chamber exclusively for westerners, cheering on exploitation :/ you also get heavily downvoted for disagreeing in any way, too. Just a toxic and unwelcoming platform.
Rant over :>
Fully justified rant.
As a USian, my perspective on EU nationalists is that they think the EU has the same Imperialist chops they used to, rather than being fully subservient to the US. The EU doesn’t have nearly the productive capacity of China, nor the massive financial and millitary Capital of the US Empire, so they piggyback off the US and think themselves more “enlightened” for not doing as much to keep the Empire they profit off of going.
They enjoy the spoils of Imperialism, and participate in it, but shift all of the blame on the US and act like they are innocent. The US is the Imperialist hegemon, correct, but the EU picked its role as vassal states of the Empire and acts like an alternative.
The good news is that as the US Empire continues to fall, so too will the EU, as its thoroughly dependent on the US. That stands to provide a genuine chance at change, the nationalism we see now is a desparate cling to Imperial “glory” as their role fades and China wins simply by focusing on real production.
They enjoy the spoils of Imperialism, and participate in it, but shift all of the blame on the US and act like they are innocent.
Seriously. The US gets most of its oil domestically or from South America and Canada. It was stealing oil from Iraq and Syria, but it wasn’t being sent to North America. It was being sent to Europe.
The US does all of Europe’s dirty work, then they pretend like they’re above it. Don’t get me started on how their continent is built on hundreds of years of colonialism, allowing for them to flourish while former colonies never recovered.
100%. It’s a different flavor of disgusting Imperialist apologia from US exceptionalism, world police nonsense.
The EU didnt pick to be a vassal, it was americans (and the british and french to an lesser extend) and installed post war european governments and prevented socialists from joining their countries towards the soviet block. Euros & Canadians arent that different from the whitey in america.
Yes and no, Europe conceded throughout the 20th century to USian dominance. They aren’t different, really, but they also lost to the US in terms of global hegemony. My point isn’t that Europeans aren’t bloodthirsty Imperialists, just that European liberals like to think of themselves as “enlightened” despite also being guilty.
Their holier than thou, condescending tone and chauvinism is more infuriating than anything.
Damn, and burgerlibs are already insufferably holier-than-thou, condescending, and chauvinistic.
seppos got nothing on g*rmans
So you support that hamas kills innocent childrens, womans and elderly people
I do when those “children” are 19-year-old colonels and the others are zionists, yes.
Honestly feddit is probably going start getting defederated by more instances before 1.0 comes out
They are growing a zionist instance that is going to become too dificult to moderate for most admins of other instances
The M is for mods, i forgot the comm goes by YPTB
Thanks for the clarification, was confused.
You know what else is illegal under german law? Communism, hammers and sickles, etc
what a cool and normal place
No it’s not? I saw a guy yesterday wearing the five heads of Marxism on a t-shirt lol
What’s banned is the old KPD, which is why the new KPD (which exists due to a legal loophole in the reunification treaty) sometimes gets harassed by the cops.
There is a certain crackdown on USSR associated imagery at WW2 memorial events, but beyond that, the cops and courts don’t have enough of a reason to go after ML groups on the basis of symbolism and self-proclaimed adherence to a communist worldview.
