China is authoritarian, but if you look only at the material conditions for democracy like prosperity, peace, education they are better than the US. People fundamentally want to exist and raise families in peace without constant terror, confusion and economic hardship. That is because even they are authoritarian, they can still “afford” to have pro-human or pro-national ideology. In the neoliberal countries choosing that over profit gets you fired or sidelined.
America is the biggest police state in human history that breaches more other nations’ sovereignty than anyone in history. you are out of your gourd saying “China is authoritarian” compared to the US, the biggest bully of all time with kill counts in the tens of millions
What you are calling “authoritarianism” in China is actually the power of the proletariat, a radical and unrelenting democracy.
Being authoritarian is exactly what makes them good. When media talks about China authoritarianism, they’re talking from the perspective of capitalists, not average people. Capitalists hold no political power in China and that’s why western media it’s upset, because they can’t influence their policy through money. If western media cared about the material conditions of the average Chinese people, they would be chanting praise for the massive uplifting that China has went through the last 50 years.
I mean, it’s pretty rich USA talking to anyone about authoritarianism, regardless of who’s in office. I mentioned yellow journalism in another thread that began with the Spanish - American war, but even before then, we’ve always had death-labor camps. The authoritarianism waxes and wanes, depending on who’s on the Hill, but we’re supposed to evolve, rather than devolving and forcing stagnation/devolution on the rest of the world. And for all their faults, it’s part of the reason our revolutionary founders urged isolationist policy. The Great Wars changed the equation a bit, but only because our burgeoning hegemony was threatened. And yes, this is oversimplifying, but the gist.
The Chinese people do not exist in a state of peace with the CCP, that political monstrosity is one of the many reasons why there has been a rush of Chinese citizens leaving the country. The pandemic fully exposed how destructive and nefarious the CCP is. First they denied it started in China, followed by a weak attempt to blame foreigners for covid-19. It ended with the CCP welding people into their homes, caging Chinese citizens and allowing human beings to literally starve to death.
While the Chinese government pushes a very nationalistic message, It really isn’t pro-human in the slightest. The CCP top brass has been content to exploit the poverty of its populace in order to enrich themselves.
The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.
Least delusional western man right here 😂 yea, the “CCP” is evil for being the most successful nation in dealing with the covid pandemic while good ol’ free murica had 10x deaths with 5x less population.
You are either very naive or very dishonest if you think that the CCP handled the pandemic well. It was their incompetence, tallied with their dishonesty that caused the spread to begin with.
Aight, now you’re blaming China for the incompetence of others, at the same time you flirt about China being an authoritarian dystopia while also saying that they being too lax allowed a novel virus to spread, even if that were the case, how does this explain the massive difference in deaths between China and the US? What does it even matter where the virus came from if your country was unable to deal with it? Viruses do not have ideology or allegiances, they work exactly the same in China, the US or in Lesotho.
You really don’t know what’s happening in China unless you speak to people who live there or have emigrated recently. Believing the lies put out there by the CCP is not doing anybody any good. They’ve already witnessed the collapse of their real estate sector, the banking sector in China lurches from crisis to crisis, on any given day you will see another video of bank customers pleading for their money to be returned to them en masse. And now we have a crisis in the manufacturing sector, workers are being laid off and those left employed are seeing their wages cut if they get paid at all.
Aight gordon chang, china is on the verge of collapse!
Why should i be sad for foreign bondholders losing their investments? they’ve should’ve known better than having their savings on risky endeavors. This is explicitly the investors fault and the businesses fault, not the CPC, why should the CPC refund foreign investors with taxpayers money? It’s great that the bubble popped and the gov didn’t save investors, a clear example that in China you just can’t fail upwards like in the US, foreign investors can cry crocodile tears all they want they ain’t getting a penny. I can tell you parrot mainstream media coverage on this because of your uncritical support for investors.
And now we have a crisis in the manufacturing sector, workers are being laid off and those left employed are seeing their wages cut if they get paid at all.
Wait, you’re blaming the “crisis in manufacturing” on China when it is the US the one causing a global trade war? Also, businesses going out of business is not automatically bad, it’s fairly common everywhere. Inefficient businesses go out of business, it’s as simple as that. Should the CPC be rescuing these businesses so westerners feel good about it?
And as a matter of fact, i speak with regular working class Chinese people that live on China on a weekly basis, most don’t even care about the goverment, in my experience 90% of their talk is about doing business, the rest is about food, meanwhile westerners think the average chinese is fettered doing farm work lmao.
China is authoritarian, but if you look only at the material conditions for democracy like prosperity, peace, education they are better than the US. People fundamentally want to exist and raise families in peace without constant terror, confusion and economic hardship. That is because even they are authoritarian, they can still “afford” to have pro-human or pro-national ideology. In the neoliberal countries choosing that over profit gets you fired or sidelined.
America is the biggest police state in human history that breaches more other nations’ sovereignty than anyone in history. you are out of your gourd saying “China is authoritarian” compared to the US, the biggest bully of all time with kill counts in the tens of millions
What you are calling “authoritarianism” in China is actually the power of the proletariat, a radical and unrelenting democracy.
The US is more authoritarian, if anything, especially if you live in a country that’s been on the receiving end of its foreign policy.
Being authoritarian is exactly what makes them good. When media talks about China authoritarianism, they’re talking from the perspective of capitalists, not average people. Capitalists hold no political power in China and that’s why western media it’s upset, because they can’t influence their policy through money. If western media cared about the material conditions of the average Chinese people, they would be chanting praise for the massive uplifting that China has went through the last 50 years.
I mean, it’s pretty rich USA talking to anyone about authoritarianism, regardless of who’s in office. I mentioned yellow journalism in another thread that began with the Spanish - American war, but even before then, we’ve always had death-labor camps. The authoritarianism waxes and wanes, depending on who’s on the Hill, but we’re supposed to evolve, rather than devolving and forcing stagnation/devolution on the rest of the world. And for all their faults, it’s part of the reason our revolutionary founders urged isolationist policy. The Great Wars changed the equation a bit, but only because our burgeoning hegemony was threatened. And yes, this is oversimplifying, but the gist.
if I’m from, say, Ghana, I’m judging China based on how China affects Ghanaian people, not on how China affects Chinese people
Have you been to China?
I haven’t. Please elaborate.
The Chinese people do not exist in a state of peace with the CCP, that political monstrosity is one of the many reasons why there has been a rush of Chinese citizens leaving the country. The pandemic fully exposed how destructive and nefarious the CCP is. First they denied it started in China, followed by a weak attempt to blame foreigners for covid-19. It ended with the CCP welding people into their homes, caging Chinese citizens and allowing human beings to literally starve to death.
While the Chinese government pushes a very nationalistic message, It really isn’t pro-human in the slightest. The CCP top brass has been content to exploit the poverty of its populace in order to enrich themselves.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
Least delusional western man right here 😂 yea, the “CCP” is evil for being the most successful nation in dealing with the covid pandemic while good ol’ free murica had 10x deaths with 5x less population.
You are either very naive or very dishonest if you think that the CCP handled the pandemic well. It was their incompetence, tallied with their dishonesty that caused the spread to begin with.
Aight, now you’re blaming China for the incompetence of others, at the same time you flirt about China being an authoritarian dystopia while also saying that they being too lax allowed a novel virus to spread, even if that were the case, how does this explain the massive difference in deaths between China and the US? What does it even matter where the virus came from if your country was unable to deal with it? Viruses do not have ideology or allegiances, they work exactly the same in China, the US or in Lesotho.
You really don’t know what’s happening in China unless you speak to people who live there or have emigrated recently. Believing the lies put out there by the CCP is not doing anybody any good. They’ve already witnessed the collapse of their real estate sector, the banking sector in China lurches from crisis to crisis, on any given day you will see another video of bank customers pleading for their money to be returned to them en masse. And now we have a crisis in the manufacturing sector, workers are being laid off and those left employed are seeing their wages cut if they get paid at all.
Aight gordon chang, china is on the verge of collapse!
Why should i be sad for foreign bondholders losing their investments? they’ve should’ve known better than having their savings on risky endeavors. This is explicitly the investors fault and the businesses fault, not the CPC, why should the CPC refund foreign investors with taxpayers money? It’s great that the bubble popped and the gov didn’t save investors, a clear example that in China you just can’t fail upwards like in the US, foreign investors can cry crocodile tears all they want they ain’t getting a penny. I can tell you parrot mainstream media coverage on this because of your uncritical support for investors.
Wait, you’re blaming the “crisis in manufacturing” on China when it is the US the one causing a global trade war? Also, businesses going out of business is not automatically bad, it’s fairly common everywhere. Inefficient businesses go out of business, it’s as simple as that. Should the CPC be rescuing these businesses so westerners feel good about it?
And as a matter of fact, i speak with regular working class Chinese people that live on China on a weekly basis, most don’t even care about the goverment, in my experience 90% of their talk is about doing business, the rest is about food, meanwhile westerners think the average chinese is fettered doing farm work lmao.
Where did I express sympathy for bond holders or claim that the collapse in the manufacturing was caused by one party?
Tiran la piedra y esconden la mano, typical westerner.
Your reply falls in line with my beliefs. Does anyone else reading this have any rebuke?
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7866691/6377974