Because all the conversation I’ve seen has been against Trans Women going to women’s restrooms. Which is strange to me because, according to the twisted concept of TERFs, Trans men are not men (even though they are), but “women”.

Aren’t they worried about “women” going into men’s bathrooms?

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    There’s a subset of TERFs that are lesbians, they’ve seen a lot of butch lesbians transition fairly recently (from what I’ve collected on the TERF forum I’m aware of) and they seem to point to that a lot. They seem to just consider transmen to be butch lesbians who “bought into gender ideology” and consider them to be quite delusional for doing so. I don’t get any sense of particularly “protecting butch lesbians from themselves” they seem to frame it more as those women are lost causes and the way to “protect them” is by not allowing them to be “infected” by trans identity, they definitely talk about them like they’re “asking for it” if anything bad does happen to them because they do believe they are women entering a world of evil men but have no way of physically preventing it.

    I don’t consider myself a TERF, I do consider myself to be a fairly radical feminist (no we aren’t automatically trans exclusionary) so I do sometimes see them in rad fem spaces and was genuinely curious about the perspective but it seems fairly not cohesive there’s tons of conservative think in it, lots of “crunchy” women etc. TERFs honestly seem to care way more about the TE than the RF, they don’t seem to have any uniting ideology…

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      I do consider myself to be a fairly radical feminist (no we aren’t automatically trans exclusionary)

      What’s the difference between regular feminism and radical (non-TERFy) feminism? I don’t know if I’m radical or not.

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        I don’t know if I’m radical or not.

        It’s not the only possible criteria of course, but certainly the easiest to check for:

        Can you do a kickflip?

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        If you’re views diverge sharply from the mainstream, you’re radical.

        If you think we should change society to bring about gender equality, you are radical. If you think it society is good with some small tweaks like legislating parity of pay or a certain number of women in c-suite positions, you’re a liberal feminist.

        Afaict most supposed terfs are actually either non feminist conservatives or liberal feminists.