• arotrios@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    You have a couple of decades worth of life left to deal with. You’ve got an eternity to be dead, and it could suck worse. Plus, if you’re a Buddhist or Hindu you’re probably gonna have to go through it all again. Might as well see this ride through to the end of the line.

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        6 hours ago

        Why? It’s a simple risk assessment based one question:

        If I kill myself, will it stop the pain?

        And the answer is that I don’t know. Neither do you. For all we know, it could be worse.

        To me, that’s an unacceptable risk.

        Anything you infer or think I’m implying is based on your own assumptions (which are shallow and self-centered - you have no idea about the amount of pain I’ve suffered in my life, so fuck you very much too - pretty arrogant to assume you have a monopoly on suffering).

        My original statement isn’t a moral or religious statement, it’s just one of fact. You have a limited amount of time to live. You have (apparently) an unlimited amount of time to be dead, you will be dead eventually no matter what, and being dead could be much worse than being alive depending on what you experience.

        The odds that things will get better with suicide aren’t in your favor. That’s just a fact, kid. Don’t be in a rush to make things worse for yourself and everyone around you.

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          6 hours ago

          Occam’s Razor: The simplest explanation is often the correct one. It’s a whole lot simpler that there’s nothing when we die, rather than the whole afterlife business.

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            6 hours ago

            Which, incidentally, is what the ancient Egyptian’s conception of hell was:

            In order to receive judgement the dead journeyed through the various parts of the Duat to be judged. If the deceased was successfully able to pass various challenges, then they would reach the Judgment of the dead. In this ritual, the deceased’s first task was to correctly address each of the forty-two Assessors of Maat by name, while reciting the sins they did not commit during their lifetime.[15] After confirming that they were sinless, the heart of the deceased was weighed by Anubis against the feather of Maat, which represents truth and justice. Any heart that is heavier than the feather failed the test, and was rejected and eaten by Ammit, the devourer of souls, as these people were denied existence after death in the Duat. The souls that were lighter than the feather would pass this most important test, and would be allowed to travel to Aaru.

            The Duat is not equivalent to the conceptions of Hell in the Abrahamic religions, in which souls are condemned with fiery torment. The absolute punishment for the wicked, in ancient Egyptian thought, was the denial of an afterlife to the deceased, ceasing to exist in the intellectual form seen through the devouring of the heart by Ammit

            One of the reasons I’ve decided to stick around. Plus, I just like walking like an Egyptian…

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      As a counterargument I’d like to point out that when there’s enough pain present you might just want to tap out.

      Especially now since one of the lovely American corporates decided to fuck up pain medication for those that needs it for decades at the minimum, because they just had to get that fucking profit.

      I’m not even American and I’m on about a third of what I theoretically should be. My doctors admit this, but anything more and there’s a risk of malpractice bullshit.

      Hence, pain. Fuck that. I’ll tap out when enough is enough.

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        7 hours ago

        The major flaw in your reasoning is that you’re assuming that there’s less pain on the other side. It could be better, but it could be much much worse, especially if you’re carrying the regret of unfinished business left behind.

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          7 hours ago

          The simplest explanation is that it’s the same as before you were born. Can you see how a religious view might lead to unnecessary suffering in this life?

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            4 hours ago

            It’s not a religious view - you folks need to take a step back and look at the argument, not your own inferences.

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              It’s an unscientific view. Maybe in the afterlife you get to finally meet the Invisible Pink Unicorn, so what are you waiting for? When you weigh up all the imaginary possibilities, they add to just about zero.

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          5 hours ago

          You might believe there’s another side but that’s not important to this situation. You’re projecting your personal beliefs on others.

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            5 hours ago

            Literally the entire point of my comment is “we don’t know”. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths, and understand that it’s bad form to attempt to make straw man arguments when you have nothing to contribute to the conversation.

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              4 hours ago

              lol more projection. “We don’t know” is exactly like “both sides do it”.

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                  lol lol moving the goal posts. Now I have to PROVE my position to you while yours is the default and requires no further discussion. I haven’t had a conversation like this since I was on reddit.

                  You are the definition of toxic