Hawaii Democrats are a bit more right-leaning than other Democrats.
Lack of a grandfather clause opens it up to a challenge on ex post facto grounds. I don’t know if this factored into their reasoning, stated or unstated, but it should be considered.
so add an amendment and vote for it. people act like these are insurmountable issues when its literally just a ‘duh’ and a 10 minute conversation to fix. no they didn’t want it to pass because they dont want to look anti-gun.
Bills aren’t just… fixed with a sharpie. Laws don’t have the luxury of casual, colloquial language. Nor can some cheeto-dusted dipshit just make whatever changes he wants.
“Oh yeah, P.S., existing owners are not criminals.” When? Permanently? Not permanently? How long does that apply? Is it transferable? If I Last Will it to my grandchildren, do they also enjoy that benefit? Or do they immediately become criminals? Does it apply to all weapons covered by the bill, or just some? If the rifle can have some parts swapped out, can it be made legal? Which parts? The upper, the stock, the grip, the barrel?
Seems the next 4 years will be a surprise for you. And yes a something as simple as a grand father clause is a ten minute conversation and amendment to a bill.
You’re putting alot of effort trying to make a single line of ‘firearms registered before X date are exempt for the individual on the registration’.
This really isnt hard, even if you add in legalese. Nor does it need to be perfect the first pass. Its almost like we developed a whole procedure for updating laws… Itd be a shame if we didnt use it…
As for your litany of questions…
Almost every single one is self evident based on the intent of the law being passed.
What you seem to forget is they likely had months to bring up the grand father clause for discussion while you can resolve it fairly trivially it never should have gotten to a vote without the problem being identified and resolved.
So yes, using it as an 11th hour excuse to not pass a piece of legislation smacks of them trying to put themselves on the record as progun. Its either that for sheer incompetence. Which wouldn’t surprise me either, given harris habit for missing critical votes.
LOL Who said anything about Harris? What does Harris have to do with Hawaii’s gun laws? Once again, you assume the Dems are some monolithic force, like Joy Buenaventura and Joe Biden are the same person with the same goals.
Hawaii Democrats are a bit more right-leaning than other Democrats.
Lack of a grandfather clause opens it up to a challenge on ex post facto grounds. I don’t know if this factored into their reasoning, stated or unstated, but it should be considered.
According to the article, the bill did have a grandfather clause.
so add an amendment and vote for it. people act like these are insurmountable issues when its literally just a ‘duh’ and a 10 minute conversation to fix. no they didn’t want it to pass because they dont want to look anti-gun.
Bills aren’t just… fixed with a sharpie. Laws don’t have the luxury of casual, colloquial language. Nor can some cheeto-dusted dipshit just make whatever changes he wants.
“Oh yeah, P.S., existing owners are not criminals.” When? Permanently? Not permanently? How long does that apply? Is it transferable? If I Last Will it to my grandchildren, do they also enjoy that benefit? Or do they immediately become criminals? Does it apply to all weapons covered by the bill, or just some? If the rifle can have some parts swapped out, can it be made legal? Which parts? The upper, the stock, the grip, the barrel?
Seems the next 4 years will be a surprise for you. And yes a something as simple as a grand father clause is a ten minute conversation and amendment to a bill.
You’re putting alot of effort trying to make a single line of ‘firearms registered before X date are exempt for the individual on the registration’.
This really isnt hard, even if you add in legalese. Nor does it need to be perfect the first pass. Its almost like we developed a whole procedure for updating laws… Itd be a shame if we didnt use it…
As for your litany of questions… Almost every single one is self evident based on the intent of the law being passed.
What you seem to forget is they likely had months to bring up the grand father clause for discussion while you can resolve it fairly trivially it never should have gotten to a vote without the problem being identified and resolved.
So yes, using it as an 11th hour excuse to not pass a piece of legislation smacks of them trying to put themselves on the record as progun. Its either that for sheer incompetence. Which wouldn’t surprise me either, given harris habit for missing critical votes.
LOL Who said anything about Harris? What does Harris have to do with Hawaii’s gun laws? Once again, you assume the Dems are some monolithic force, like Joy Buenaventura and Joe Biden are the same person with the same goals.
Its called an example. Learn how they work. Dems fuck up too frequently for it to be a mistake.
Either they’re so incompetent they’re useless and should be removed or they malicious. Neither situation is okay.