How does the smell affect your life, how do you deal with it, do you have any stories.

Im a trivia nerd and sometimes facts connect in an “oh no” kind of way.

Today the fact of “smell is the strongest scent tied to memory and emotions” hit the fact “pigs are very close in alot of ways to human tissue”

That leads to the “oh no”

Its got to be difficult entering after a terrible fire and smelling food, possibly even remember you nyanas famous pulled pork.

Sorry to be gruesome but that’s what I’m asking about.

How do you put that aside? Do you get sick when Nana makes what used to be your childhood favorite?

I couldn’t deal with that, the thought alone shook me. How do firefighters deal with that? Do family members change meal plans if you had a bad situation that day? Do some firefighters become vegetarians? Is it something you kinda just get over after a couple times?

  • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net
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    12 hours ago

    This isn’t really relevant to your question at all, but you reminded me of a (male) friend who is a gynecologist and married to a woman. I expected that the professional context would nullify any potential arousal towards his patients, but what I was curious about was whether this might bleed over into his personal life — i.e. did he still find his partner’s vulva arousing, or does it put him into doctor-headspace. Apparently his profession causes no problems whatsoever in his sex life, because the compartmentalisation is so strong.

    He said that it feels almost like conceptual homonyms. For example, in the sentence “up past the river bank is the bank where I deposited my money”, the word “bank” appears twice but means two very different things. Similarly, a vulva is a vulva no matter the context, but the meaning of it differs so much depending on the context that his brain literally doesn’t parse them as being the same.

    Like I say, it’s not related to your question, but I thought you might find it cool nonetheless. I would expect that firefighters would show a similar ability to compartmentalise, but perhaps the high-stress context of smelling human flesh may cause it to work differently.

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    the smell from blood serum, is a very unusual smell, if you had atopic dermatitis cause weeping rash, the weeping is a very unusual smell you cant pinpoint. its the sometimes yellowish and clear fluid that seeps out of wounds and weeping rashes.

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    If you’re worried about how smells affect you, have you ever smelt where a person died? It smells almost exactly like a bunch of very very rotten food. But your mind freaks out about it knowing it comes from a person. I used to work on insurance jobs and have cleaned up after 3 deaths and the smell… it just fucking sticks in your mind knowing what it is. Once a car was brought into the warehouse after a suicide but i didnt know what for it just smelt like a fridge of food after not having power for a month. But as soon as i learned what it was my brain instantly made it smell worse. Honestly kinda crazy.

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      Yeah I grew up on a farm and smelled some pretty bad stuff but it was just a bad smell. If I knew it was human that would be harder even if it smelled mostly the same. It would be psychologically worse.

      I know burying a dog that got hit by a car and took a few days to find was worse than finding a missing cow in the same state. I loved the dog, I liked the cows but that dog was my dog. It was worse smell psychologically even tho the cow is bigger and was probably logically more smelly.

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      Does all decay smell the same you think? We had a rat get into our house and die in a place we couldn’t get to no matter what so we had to let it decay and it only smelled in a little nook but fuck did it smell terrible until it finally turned into a skeleton

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        I think it depends on the diet and body composition, as well as how long they’ve been dead and under what climate conditions. Some smell sweet or fruity. Some smell, like, dusty. The way an old crypt smells. Some have a sour or rancid smell.

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        It is and is not the same, its like i was comparing it to a fridge of food going months justing sitting and festering as it rots and its itsell in a bath of bacteria. Fucking disgusting, but its worse when its a persons dead smell.

        Ive been thigh high in sewage, its not as bad as that, but very close but in a mental disgust way.

        I think we have a mental trigger to avoid death. Id be instrested in a veterans war view on the subject since my view only comes from a small amount of exposure.

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    My firefighter days were long ago and short numbered but I am a paramedic.

    Truth to be told: I have PTBS from the smell of burning human meat. I had two cases that cemented that in my brain - both were not people burning to crisp but instead people who were still moving* - but beyond rescue. In that state human meat smells different from other meats and it is… something you don’t want to smell ever.

    (*: Even most severely burnt people, with 99% grade 3 burns are awake for quite a while. They are beyond resuce,though. Please people, don’t try to kill yourself with fire. And if you do, don’t do it in front of people. Really don’t. You fuck them up for life)

    I still cannot stand if my wife cleans the oven for example.

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      I’m sorry. I can’t offer much but I can give something small. I have suffered from depression a few times in my life and landed on fire to mask it as a protest for whatever.

      I didn’t do it obviously it was a very long time ago. 20 years i think and It actually didn’t enter my mind at all when asking this question until I read this comment and remembered my past.

      If I ever get that bad again, and I hope I don’t, I promise not to use fire.

      Not much but it’s something.

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        Thanks mate for the kind words. If you are that far down the spiral again, let us know. Personally I rather read a DM from you than read about your funeral.

        And I get it. Even the fire part. Fire does send a message. We all know that powerful photo of the monk.

        The human who is responsible for half of my fire-PTBS wanted to send auch a message. But it instead fucked people up. Not only myself, back then a 19 year old fresh paramedic graduate. Who now, multiple decades later sees that human in his dreams. Well. Not actually. I see my gloves melting because the flesh I am working on his still so hot. I don’t see the actual human.

        There are only a few things I truely fear. I went to conflict regions as a job for ages… But there are few things I dear like fire/burns. Rabbies, some cancers, ALS. But fire still is something else. Because it is more cruel. Unless someone really needs that fix to understand why it’s a bad idea I spare you the details.

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      19 hours ago

      This is the answer you’re looking for OP. (Source: Same experiences FF/P)

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    Not a firefighter, but a welder. I’ve smelled burned me on more than one occasion, and it wasn’t really “horrific” as much as “oh, so that’s what that smells like.” Could be that smelling my own burnt flesh rather than someone else’s made a difference, and that the vast majority of mine were just surface burns, but still. Just smells like burned pork.

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    Some are affected significantly by it. I would say that in my experience, most aren’t. Most would work a messy suicide with open cranial trauma and then go eat a big plate of spaghetti after turning the scene over to the coroner.

    Dead human flesh smells like most raw meat does. Pork isn’t any more similar than beef as far as the aroma is concerned. Rotting human flesh smells pretty similar to most other rotting meats. A lot of times, it smells worse because most people’s experience with rotting meat is a few ounces, maybe a few pounds, that they left in their refrigerator or something of that nature. 200 pounds of it marinating inside a dank bathroom with poor ventilation, exposed subflooring, and a space heater that’s been running for two weeks is gonna smell a lot worse.

    But everyone’s different and has their things. I know a guy who can handle everything except when someone vomits. He will spew every time without question. Some people can’t handle feces well. Some people can’t handle mucus plugs from a tracheostomy tube that hasn’t been suctioned in far too long. Some people can’t handle bile mixed with chicken noodle soup that fountains out of a cardiac arrest on the first chest compression. Some people really do perceive burning human flesh as having its own distinct and repulsive smell. A lot of people would say that, actually. To me, it just smelled like burnt meat.

    The rotting flesh or dead flesh itself is unfortunately far from the nastiest thing you encounter, usually.

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      Oh. What a… lovely picture you’ve painted.

      (It is gross, but I have the absolute utmost respect for the things emt / firefighters / medical peeps put up with. Hats off to you all)

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      Mine is vomit and sometimes, I guess related, the “coffee grounds” that can appear during CPR of someone having airway/gi troubles. We got rosc on the last guy so, it’s worth it!

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        I barfed the coffee grounds in the hospital and they shit bricks. Thought that was only “fresh blood in the stomach” kinda thing?

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      Truth. I was an Army Medic and after working on a stomach wound where the patient puked up blood, I went to the dining facility and had cherry pie. Looked exactly the same as the blood puke. Didn’t bother me one bit.

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      That’s the thing tho nasty and gross I could deal with. I’m no hero like emergency services. I grew up on a farm, raised and processed animals here and there. Stumbled apon missing animals that were long past a pleasant smell. I had a grandmother that was a hoarder, I raised 4 kids…

      I’m the one in my family that does the “ewww I just can’t… Please I can’t even talking about it *dry heaves”

      My family jokes that I would be the guy in the movie doing an autopsy with his sandwich sitting on the chest of the body.

      Now none of that was even close to the mental trauma doctors, police, firefighters face. I also know human decomposition is described as much worse. Id also assume smelling the stuff I’ve smelled from animals probably also hits mentally harder coming from a human. I’m not at all saying “meh I’ve smelled it all”

      The point I’m making is terrible smells are bad but seeing something awful and smelling a steak or something good? That seems worse. Like if I drained an abscess in an animal and smelled sugar cookies… I wouldn’t be able to eat sugar cookies anymore. I assume. I don’t really know which is why I’m asking.

      But I did read you said a person who died by fire doesn’t smell like steak or food? That’s good to hear. Thats what I was unsettled but curious about.

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        I assumed you were also meaning about getting to your nice steak some days later and getting a whiff of memory of the burning-to-death person, and being put off by the trauma from that.

        The answers I’ve seen here (really good ones! Thank you guys!) don’t seem to address that directly, but it sounds from them like mostly if you work in that job you learn to push away the horror one way or another and get on with life, and steak-vs-man turns out not so different - even with, as you say, smell being particularly evocative of memories.

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        I’m not speaking from experience with the firefighters side here, but I do think it come’s down to the ick factor of smell is so much stronger than the yum factor.
        Smell is how we know if something is safe to eat, so if its off even a bit, that jumps to the peak of our attention.

        Usually if you burn something a little bit, that’s the only smell you notice.

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    Not a firefighter, though I’m related to some and have had discussions about the morbid stuff with them.

    From my end of things, I’ve been around burn victims, and close enough to a fire where someone was burned to death to have smelled what you’re asking about.

    Like others have said, during a fire, the firefighters are going to be geared up, so they won’t smell it while it’s happening. The lingering smell isn’t as noticeable after because there’s just too many other smells present. That was true for me as a bystander, and my family have said the same.

    But I can’t say it smells different in a way that I could sniff it on the wind and automatically know that it was a person, and not someone grilling. I might guess it was pork rather than beef, but I’d say that venison getting over cooked is closer than pork getting over cooked.

    It just smells like burning meat. And it wasn’t even that strong at the fire I was present for. I would have guessed it was something in a freezer or fridge at the time.

    The remains that time essentially smelled like burnt meat. Damn near all meat smells the same when burnt. Only thing I can think of that stands out is really oily fish. And even that isn’t so different it matters much because the burnt meat smell is still the dominant odor.

    Raw human meat smells the same as raw animal meat usually. I’ve been wrist deep in wounds, infected or not, and I’ve processed freshly killed animals. Only time I could tell a difference between mammals is wild vs domesticated. A lot of game animals smell gamy, and domesticated rarely do, and won’t be as strong.

    Imo, if you would have a problem with the smell of burnt human being so close to the smell of burnt animal, chances are that the smell of meat cooking would have already bothered you a little. It does bother some people. But I’ve never known anyone that eats meat suddenly give it up after smelling burnt human. I’ve heard of it, but never met anyone that said it.

    Now, there’s a pretty damn common reaction to the immediacy of something like that. Like, don’t ask me to eat a rare steak right after I pack a wound, you dig? But a well done burger? Sure. That’s down to individual tolerances though, and mine is more that when I’m packing a wound, it’s usually in bad shape, likely infected or with necrotic tissue.

    And the smell of rotting meat, human or not, will put a lot of people off their feed for a while.

    So, I’d say that, overall, it’s less about the actual smell and more about how the individual copes with the knowledge that death and horror are everywhere. The more that kind of thing worries you, the more likely you are to see the connection between how much humans are just another kind of meat, and what we eat. The less it worries you, the less repulsion you’ll feel from similar foods.

    It’s why, even when I’m trolling vegans, I ain’t mad at being vegan. They just have different set of associations between meat and where it comes from. Can’t be upset about that at all.

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    I don’t know how firefighters prevent the PTSD.

    24 years ago I regularly passed through the disaster site in NYC, and the smells linger in my brain even now.

    My grandad went to Normandy , my dad was a firefighter, and I’m glad I’m just a computer nerd. The most stressful thing I should have to do is make sense of all the broken things RedHat jammed together and sold as a product.

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    I’ve been to the Ganges in India and thought burning human smelled more like lamb/mutton/goat than pork.

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    I’m far from being a firefighter and I’ve never encountered a decomposing human body. I just want to point out that the smell of pork most humans like, is the smell of certain pork parts only and under controlled temperatures.

    In other words, if you were to throw a pork whole into a fire, the smell would be different from that of ribs on a bbq. You would be burning its fur, skin, internal organs, blood and excrement along with the muscle and fat, and I mean burning, not cooking, which also makes a difference.

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    The victims I have seen directly consumed by fire, I have seen while wearing my scba and have not really smelled them. I’m not on the crews that transport after.

    However, when we go to an untimely death or otherwise serious call, there are certainly smells. Nothing having kids hasn’t also sort of exposed you to, though.

    Then again, cats, old feces, and other unknown substances and smells from long-passed people does stick around.

    You get used to it in an odd way.

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    you need to be careful with your assumptions. Just because it looks like facts can connect and lead to natural conclusions does not mean they do.

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      And you see I’m quick to accept when I’m wrong.

      Plus although I do assume probably too quickly Im quick to ask questions from people who know more.

      This I think helps me more than simply not making connections could

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    Not a firefighter, but I have smelled human flesh burning. I worked pathology for a year, and right off the O.R., a few times a week, you could smell the cauterized flesh from tonsillectomies. I wasn’t in the room with the procedure, but you could always tell. For me, the smell never really reminded me of pork. It was its own thing. That being said, I can’t speak for everyone, but to me, it didn’t smell like pork.

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      Muscle (the pork we eat) and mucous membranes (where tonsillectomies happen) have got to be different enough to produce different odors when burnt.

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      That is a great answer thank you. That was the most horrific part of the question. I’ve never smelled it obviously but I know pirates called it long pork. I’ve heard it described as tasting like pork but only from people who probably were not cannibals. I don’t talk to a lot of cannibals… That I’m aware of anyway. So I only have what I read here and there in articles. I just assumed if humans tasted like pork then we smell like pork.

      So I was talking about smells with a friend “bathrooms and air freshener if you’re curious” and my ADHD brain just linked a bunch of useless trivia.

      I’m glad to know humans just smell different. It’s probably biological maybe even evolution. Makes sense because in the cave man days anyone who wasn’t disgusted by another dead human enough to run… Probably didn’t survive as long as those that thought “this is something I want to immediately get away from.”

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    Personally I get more of a reaction from smelling diesel exhaust and smoke at the same time

    I’ve never associated dead people smells with food though.

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      That’s good to know. I told another commenter I’m glad to be wrong. I just assumed it would smell like pork because of all the ways pig is used to test things as replacement for human flesh. Being close here doesn’t mean it’s close there. I just assumed and I’m relieved that’s not something people actually have to deal with.

      Still obviously a horrible and traumatic thing to deal with but at least it doesn’t ruin Nana’s famous pulled pork. Which is so small and silly compared to dealing with the horrors of a tragedy but… To use a silly example “it sucks I got fired but it would’ve been slightly worse if I got fired and hit my shin on the table while I was being escorted out of the building”. Basically I’m not implying “well then it’s not so bad” just…One small thing I’m glad isn’t part of the problem.

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        Depends a lot on the circumstances from what I heard from my VFD friends. Apparently it’s very rare to find someone cooked but not charred by the fire and that’s the smell your describing. They all say CSF is the really bad smell that stays with you.