But what exactly would that be? Keep in mind that there is no doubt on that Hamas is a heavily armed terrorist organization.
So what should Israel have answered to hundreds of it’s citizen bring taken hostage? Again I do not say that Israel is not to be criticized for decisions and especially actions in the past where they have deported Palestinians. Even if this is the root cause of the rise of the terrorist group. This is not point of the current debate.
What differentiates Hamas from the Israel government that causes you to describe it as a terrorist organization and the Israel government as not?
The definition is killing civilians to cause political change.
Israel, by many governmental officials descriptions, is trying to cause maximum damage to Gaza in retaliation, including the deaths of a civilian population. Most of whom, notably were too young to vote for Hamas.
Israel has repeatedly bombed hospitals run by MSF, schools, and ambulances. They always claim Hamas was there, and yet, the MSF doctors state they weren’t. The schools weren’t likely housing Hamas, and when journalists check the ambulances, find no weapons or military uniforms.
Let me ask you this: what could Israel do that you wouldn’t think is justified?
Please, answer that. I’d be willing to bet I could find an example. And if there is nothing, then I know you’re an extremist that is okay with genocide.
Jesus Christ, really? Bombing a Hospital is NEVER a good idea and in multiple comments I do explicitly state that Israel IS to be criticized, which, you know, is the opposite of justifying. Again I do not justify them bombing hospitals and killing civilians, I said they should definitely take more action to prevent civilian casualties. I’ve seen the Videos where Palestinians are being harassed by Israelis which is to condemn. And AGAIN, I do not deny that this could be the root cause of the rise of Hamas. But this also does not justify killing Israeli civilians either (or many other civilians with international citizenship).
It’s all fucked up and I can barely make up an opinion about all this. And AGAIN, my point is simply to take EVERY piece of information with a grain of salt, but the thing is that Israel has information advantage right now as international press has more access and security on their side atm. This does not mean that press is 100% free there either as it was just very recently reported that German Journalists were still held up or even harassed by IDF Soldiers. But how can I atm know if this was a nervous soldier in fear of his security or a decision made from the top government? I genuinely do not know.
However, any discussion about this is a tightrope walk after all. I won’t bother any longer.
The Palestinians tried a peaceful protest in the march of return two years ago.
The IDF slaughtered them, intentionally targeting medics.
Bibi used coded language in a speech in Hebrew calling the Palestinians amaleks. God ordered the Jewish tribe, in the old testament, to slaughter the amaleks man, woman, child, and beast of burden.
CNN was allowed a journalist to embed with the IDF, but only if the IDF was allowed full editorial control. FULL control.
At this point, you not knowing this is likely you ‘just trying to ask questions’ in a bad faith effort to justify genocide, which you obliquely admit to in another comment. Israel is still not allowing food or water in.
I think it’s fair to criticize Israeli tactics and overall strategy, but most of the blanket condemnation you see on Lemmy is indicative of pure moral confusion and/or an unfamiliarity with historical and contemporary facts. That the outrage is so selective --it’s never applied to other similar and even unprovoked civilian massacres-- tells us everything we need to know about how well-thought-out it is.
I’d expect them to take actions that won’t make sure there will be easier to radicalize people against them.
Their actions are the biggest advertisement for enlisting terrorists that will fight them 10 years from now.
Right. That would surely be better.
But what exactly would that be? Keep in mind that there is no doubt on that Hamas is a heavily armed terrorist organization.
So what should Israel have answered to hundreds of it’s citizen bring taken hostage? Again I do not say that Israel is not to be criticized for decisions and especially actions in the past where they have deported Palestinians. Even if this is the root cause of the rise of the terrorist group. This is not point of the current debate.
What differentiates Hamas from the Israel government that causes you to describe it as a terrorist organization and the Israel government as not?
The definition is killing civilians to cause political change.
Israel, by many governmental officials descriptions, is trying to cause maximum damage to Gaza in retaliation, including the deaths of a civilian population. Most of whom, notably were too young to vote for Hamas.
Israel has repeatedly bombed hospitals run by MSF, schools, and ambulances. They always claim Hamas was there, and yet, the MSF doctors state they weren’t. The schools weren’t likely housing Hamas, and when journalists check the ambulances, find no weapons or military uniforms.
Let me ask you this: what could Israel do that you wouldn’t think is justified?
Please, answer that. I’d be willing to bet I could find an example. And if there is nothing, then I know you’re an extremist that is okay with genocide.
Jesus Christ, really? Bombing a Hospital is NEVER a good idea and in multiple comments I do explicitly state that Israel IS to be criticized, which, you know, is the opposite of justifying. Again I do not justify them bombing hospitals and killing civilians, I said they should definitely take more action to prevent civilian casualties. I’ve seen the Videos where Palestinians are being harassed by Israelis which is to condemn. And AGAIN, I do not deny that this could be the root cause of the rise of Hamas. But this also does not justify killing Israeli civilians either (or many other civilians with international citizenship).
It’s all fucked up and I can barely make up an opinion about all this. And AGAIN, my point is simply to take EVERY piece of information with a grain of salt, but the thing is that Israel has information advantage right now as international press has more access and security on their side atm. This does not mean that press is 100% free there either as it was just very recently reported that German Journalists were still held up or even harassed by IDF Soldiers. But how can I atm know if this was a nervous soldier in fear of his security or a decision made from the top government? I genuinely do not know.
However, any discussion about this is a tightrope walk after all. I won’t bother any longer.
The Palestinians tried a peaceful protest in the march of return two years ago.
The IDF slaughtered them, intentionally targeting medics.
Bibi used coded language in a speech in Hebrew calling the Palestinians amaleks. God ordered the Jewish tribe, in the old testament, to slaughter the amaleks man, woman, child, and beast of burden.
CNN was allowed a journalist to embed with the IDF, but only if the IDF was allowed full editorial control. FULL control.
At this point, you not knowing this is likely you ‘just trying to ask questions’ in a bad faith effort to justify genocide, which you obliquely admit to in another comment. Israel is still not allowing food or water in.
I think it’s fair to criticize Israeli tactics and overall strategy, but most of the blanket condemnation you see on Lemmy is indicative of pure moral confusion and/or an unfamiliarity with historical and contemporary facts. That the outrage is so selective --it’s never applied to other similar and even unprovoked civilian massacres-- tells us everything we need to know about how well-thought-out it is.