I mean, yes, it can evaporate - inside the loop. There is no “loss”. If you fill a container half way with water, seal it airtight, and boil it, the water inside it is converted to gas. But that doesn’t mean it’s gone, you can just cool it down to convert the gas back to a liquid. There is no “loss” as that would violate the law of conservation of mass, which explicitly states that mass cannot be created or destroyed in a closed system through ordinary physical or chemical processes.
However you twist it - a loss of water is completely impossible in a closed loop.
To all the people downvoting without explaining - drop me an explanation instead of just doing that. I’m more than willing to accept that I’m wrong if someone can just explain to me how I’m wrong.
Well there is. Depending on the space. It can evaporate to a point where there is equilibrium between the gas and liquid.
All that being said, you and I are thinking on a pretty small scale. We’re thinking of liquid cooling on a home PC. For that large a scale, I’m sure the cooling system is pumping from a large reservoir to consistently keep that large a system cool. So there very much is room for evaporation in such a system.
And again, the researchers have found this to be the case. I see what you’re saying, but I think you’re conceiving of a much smaller, closed loop system, where on a server farm, they are using something much more efficient than a closed loop system. I dunno, though. I’m thinking of what you’re saying and considering the findings, and trying to conceive of the way that it’s happening. That’s pretty much where I land on it
All that being said, you and I are thinking on a pretty small scale. We’re thinking of liquid cooling on a home PC. For that large a scale, I’m sure the cooling system is pumping from a large reservoir to consistently keep that large a system cool.
Uuuuuh, no. I’m thinking of datacenters - I am working in one. All of the racks are having their own loops, you don’t want the entire datacenter to power down because the cooling system fails. While it’s not as simple as having an AIO in a consumer PC, it’s still a closed loop, albeit a bigger one. However, I don’t know anything about training models - so maybe there is such a system. I don’t know. It sounds weird to me tho because it’s kinda wasteful without providing any real benefit, and while companies don’t give a shit about the environment, they do give a shit about saving as much money as possible. Having a wasteful cooling system when there are non-wasteful ones seems unnecessary.
But then again, I don’t know either. I just don’t believe that this study was entirely truthful and tries to make AI look worse than it is. It’s still bad, don’t get me wrong, but this reminds me a lot of PETA studies that sad “ONE BEEF PATTY NEEDS 250.000 LITERS OF WATER!!!” and it turns out they calculated that with a single cow on a massively oversized area and they also included the entire rain falling on that area as “wasted water”.
I mean, yes, it can evaporate - inside the loop. There is no “loss”. If you fill a container half way with water, seal it airtight, and boil it, the water inside it is converted to gas. But that doesn’t mean it’s gone, you can just cool it down to convert the gas back to a liquid. There is no “loss” as that would violate the law of conservation of mass, which explicitly states that mass cannot be created or destroyed in a closed system through ordinary physical or chemical processes.
However you twist it - a loss of water is completely impossible in a closed loop.
To all the people downvoting without explaining - drop me an explanation instead of just doing that. I’m more than willing to accept that I’m wrong if someone can just explain to me how I’m wrong.
Well there is. Depending on the space. It can evaporate to a point where there is equilibrium between the gas and liquid.
All that being said, you and I are thinking on a pretty small scale. We’re thinking of liquid cooling on a home PC. For that large a scale, I’m sure the cooling system is pumping from a large reservoir to consistently keep that large a system cool. So there very much is room for evaporation in such a system.
And again, the researchers have found this to be the case. I see what you’re saying, but I think you’re conceiving of a much smaller, closed loop system, where on a server farm, they are using something much more efficient than a closed loop system. I dunno, though. I’m thinking of what you’re saying and considering the findings, and trying to conceive of the way that it’s happening. That’s pretty much where I land on it
Uuuuuh, no. I’m thinking of datacenters - I am working in one. All of the racks are having their own loops, you don’t want the entire datacenter to power down because the cooling system fails. While it’s not as simple as having an AIO in a consumer PC, it’s still a closed loop, albeit a bigger one. However, I don’t know anything about training models - so maybe there is such a system. I don’t know. It sounds weird to me tho because it’s kinda wasteful without providing any real benefit, and while companies don’t give a shit about the environment, they do give a shit about saving as much money as possible. Having a wasteful cooling system when there are non-wasteful ones seems unnecessary.
But then again, I don’t know either. I just don’t believe that this study was entirely truthful and tries to make AI look worse than it is. It’s still bad, don’t get me wrong, but this reminds me a lot of PETA studies that sad “ONE BEEF PATTY NEEDS 250.000 LITERS OF WATER!!!” and it turns out they calculated that with a single cow on a massively oversized area and they also included the entire rain falling on that area as “wasted water”.