• Tiger666@lemmy.ca
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      19 hours ago

      Capitalism by default is corrupt. The ruling class taking surplus value from the worker is the corruption.

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        12 hours ago

        I feel like we could better spread this idea if we removed the verbiage of communism from it. I think you would convince more people this is the truth if you worded it more like:

        Allowing a few individuals to consolidate wealth gives them a sort of power they can use to bend the rules to their favor which furthers their ability to consolidate wealth which gives them more power, so on and so forth until we are where we are now

        I feel like more people would agree with this, whereas talking about taking “surplus value from the worker” will automatically turn off peoples interest in hearing anything from you as they’ve been trained against this kind of phrasing.

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          I agree. You could spread ideas without using complicated lingo or ideology specific lingo. Convey ideas so that it is reasonably understandable to the common person.

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          21 hours ago

          What if… All systems are inherently corrupt because of human nature and we just have to choose the best one of the crappy lot to survive and that’s definitely not crony capitalism?

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            How do you even want to have a communism without the Marx theoretised over abundance and infinite supply of goods? I don’t think we are going to have that any time soon last I checked.

            All the attempts so far were so called socialism intermediary step because there is no prophesied infinite abundance just yet and someone would have to regulate who gets what that poses all sorts of problems and abuse risks

            Hence we don’t have some kind of god who regulates who gets what extensively and we let the market do this and see it as the most just system currently possible

            It’s possible that one day technology enables us to naturally progress to communism. Fusion power, infinite energy is a good bet but even then there will still be limited goods such as land. I personally certainly dream of a Star Trek society why not but it isn’t something imminent.

            So far we are stuck with distribution of goods as a competition and we should try to make it as fair and just of a sport as possible but the exact rules of the game will remain a point of contention between American libertarianism and European welfare states

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            19 hours ago

            If humans are inherently corrupt, how did we get to where we are now? If we never worked together and wanted to be greedy all the time, how did we get a post information age society?