Americans waking up in cold sweat in the middle of night dreaming about tank man images meanwhile there are multiple videos of American pigs mowing down protestors with card during the Floyd protests.
Yes but see, those protestors where causing traffic disruptions and carbrains will gladly cheer on the genocidal slaughter of anyone that would slow their vehicle down by a fraction of a mph.
Gets on Lemmygrad
Sees a post about China with 128 new comments
Knows what I’m about to see.Edit:
You know the comments section will be great when you see libs getting dunked on and hopelessly trying to go thermonuclear.
TOTAL LIB-DEATH
92837426263 MINDLESS DRIVE-BY COMMENTS
NATO KNOWS NO EVIL.
Does adopting a non American perspective make me brainwashed? Genuinely confused here.
To liberals, yes. Anything that isn’t regurgitating US and pro imperialist propaganda means you are brainwashed.
Since have some libs who waltzed in here, here’s Qiao Collective’s reading list for the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989 in case they want to actually try and learn something.
Damn the liberals really got to this one. Sorry comrade ):
I’m used to it, it’s half the fun
We can protest without government retaliation?
Mahmoud Khalil has entered the chat
You realize they murdered all the BLM organizer leadership from 2016 right?
i thought that actually was in 2014 when it first started
The removal of the zero COVID policy was precipitated, in part, by a series of protests.
So can chinese people.
Oh, no, they meant it as a sardonic observation not a jab at China
Maybe both.
Their cops murder people too, like for real? Thats what cops do! Chinese cops arent suddenly and magically not bastards! What a shit meme, i dont even really dislike china all that much but this is fuckin wank
Super fucking embarrassing for a communist forum
Chinese cops kill an average of 2 people a year, and having spent a good amount of time there, no one has the fear of them they do in the states. Public perception of police range from support to complete and total disrespect and disregard for their authority. Could vary by province I suppose, it is a big country, but I’ve not seen anything to suggest that police there are violent or oppressive.
ACAB isn’t a general communist position. Communists have always implemented policing in every state they run. ACAB is a strategic position to hold against cops whose primary function under a capitalist state is to protect the interrsts of private property.
As part of the state, we want it to eventually wither away. But to immediately abolish all cops after a revolution is more of an anarchist position (though anarchists have historically also still had people deputized to do cop things).
Cops in capitalist states aren’t magically bastards. They’re bastards specifically because they serve bourgeois interests against proletarian ones.
Also worth noting, I’m pretty sure US cops are some of the worst in the world, even when compared to other capitalist countries. Like they developed in part from slave patrols and in modern day, have been known to get psychopathic training that glorifies murdering people. On top of the fact some of them are literal gangs.
Yes, but this is not the point. We should not rely only on moral arguments against bourgeois institutions, because the same thing can be said against socialism. The thing is, the police is an instrument of the capitalists because the laws in capitalist country favors the capitalists. It’s basically the superstructure as a product and in a dialectical relationship with the base structure.
That’s fair as a general thing, but I didn’t really mean it as a “moral argument”? People have good reason to have developed a viscerally negative view of policing if their experience has only been the US. So part of my point there is just how abnormally bad US policing is and some reasons why it is that way, to help ease off on the instinct that if they are horrific in the US, they must always be horrific everywhere. Yes, part of it is the standard “the police are there to protect capital, etc.”, but it’s not just that. The US developed from colonizing, genocide, slavery, none of which it ever really reckoned with as more than reformist things that were extremely hard-won. In post WWII, it also became a global capitalist empire and the breeding ground of a vicious anti-communist world campaign. All of this is going to have consequences on what policing ends up looking like.
The whole “they favor the capitalists” thing is true for the US, but also somewhat of an oversimplification. The worst crimes done by US cops (such as extrajudicial murder) are more often carried out against people who are considered non-white, for example. That’s something you won’t see covered in a purely class analysis.
But that’s exactly what I meant. Cops are bad for the working class not because they are cops, or because they enforce state rule. They are bad for the population because their function, as part of the superstructure, is to maintain the base of society (production, distribution and classes) working as they are intended.
So cops in a colonial society are going to enforce colonial social relations. Cops in a slaver society will enforce slavery social relations. Cops in a capitalist society, which existed in a historical process of past colonial and slavery relations that then transited to capitalist class relations, will be racist and target those minorities, since they are now part of the lowest sections of the proletariat and subproletariat.
In a post-capitalist society, where workers are now in power, the superstructure will have a group of people who will enforce the new rules of the society and protect the workers’ interests. You can call them workers’ militia, people’s militia, workers’ gendarmerie, or any other name, but they will act in a similarly to what cops do today, but now considering the new base structure of society, their class character will be different.
Then I guess we’re meaning more or less the same thing, just going about it differently.
I think it’s good to mention this otherwise we fall into the anti-authority argument that anarchists love to bring up.
Their cops murder people too
According to what information?
According to anarkiddies that view any authoritative structure as bad as evil because they cannot comprehend reading basic theory.
They are police! ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS? since when was this a new concept
ACAB is about how American (and British) police are bastards because they serve capital it’s not some inherent quality of law enforcement.
What would you say is the role of police in the state?
To defend the state against the people who live within it
It’s a class distinction, who controls them and for what purpose, the common worker is not in control of Chinese police behavior tactics or actions, it only theorhe5ically acts in their interest the same way cops do here, albeit substantially less of a lie in the case of China it does not suddenly make Chinese cops revolutionary vanguard
I definitely agree that there’s a class component to the police, but then I don’t follow that police in China is the same as police in e.g. Europe or the USA, because the class character of the Chinese state is demonstrably different than that of the US France or Britain.
Unless you don’t believe that China is a DotP but the way you phrase your argument makes it to be a constant that applies to all states, so that’s what I have trouble understanding. If there’s a class component to the police, then it doesn’t follow that all states will also have the same class characteristic as each other. Otherwise there is no point in saying that there’s a class distinction to the police, it’s just the police.
This is the problem with dealing with anarchists, especially those from the west. They view all authority as bad because they cannot comprehend the idea that other countries governments may be different than their own.
The mere idea that Chinese law enforcement works for the people, and actually exists to serve and protect said people, is incomprehensible to them.
It’s as simple as that. “My only experience with law enforcement and government is bad thus all law enforcement and governments are bad.” Something something bedtimes.
I’m not trying to be snarky or pedantic when I ask, what is a cop to you? Would you consider a cop to be any enforcer of a formalized state structure that has a monopoly on violence? Anyone who takes on an armed role for organized community defense?
It’s very easy and sensible to go with ACAB for the US, but when we’re talking about for example a communist vanguard in defense of a working class state socialist project, if we just say it is identical fundamentally, then what are we left with to defend against the violence of the colonizer, imperialist, etc.? Or if we were to say it’s bad when it’s a “dictatorship of the proletariat”, but good if it’s community defense, what constitutes the difference and how is the 2nd one strong enough on a practical level to achieve liberation?
In other words, ignoring the context and interactions of a category is the same as removing the dialectics from materialist analysis. Then we limit ourselves to analysing the reality with metaphysics.
I’m not sure how you expect to secure proletarian class interests without police. What, inframaterialism?
American police are just more expensive siveto pay off than Chinese police.
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I made it the fuck upOh, care to explain? How many police killings are there in China every year?
According to the Government statistics, there were no killings by police in China yet in 2025… Totally believable.
My friend, there are both corrupt and bad police everywhere, and it is worse where there is no free press because they can get away with it more.
According to the Government statistics, there were no killings by police in China yet in 2025… Totally believable.
Someone get the Parenti quote.
The quote
In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
– Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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Free press as in free for capitalists to write their lies in? No thanks. State press only pls.
Free press doesn’t refer to the business model for the press organizations. Free press means that press organizations are not prevented from reporting topics, like the government. Yes, there are plenty of garbage oligarchic press organizations in countries like the US, England, Europe etc, but they have also many truely useful organizations such as community press, school press (university) and expert groups (like scientific organizations)
State press in authoritarian countries function the same as capitalist press in capitalist countries, because the capitalists control the state in the capitalist parts of the world.
What is important is that censorship from the state/money doesn’t limit the press from informing the population - because transparency is how you fight corruption and incompetence, regardless of the nature of the state.
According to the Government statistics, there were no killings by police in China yet in 2025… Totally believable.
Oh, you have evidence that shows otherwise? China has plenty of social media and Internet access, so a post showing it? Or a credible reporter? If you believe otherwise, you must have a good, evidence-based reason to do so.
Sorry, I thought my sarcasm was clear.
I doubt that the actual state stats for police crime in all of China is 0. I was trying to suggest that I don’t trust any state known for extreme control of information to properly report such a state.
Oh, what’s the evidentiary basis for that?
I bet the Uyghur people find this meme goddamn hilarious. A real laugh riot.
EDIT: Also, pretty sure there’s some famous photos involving tanks that dispell this crap meme, or are you dipshits going to gaslight everyone about that, too?
Yeah Uyghurs who lost their jobs cause libs like you boycotted every product that comes out of Xinjiang.
dumbass
Uyghurs would generally agree. You should go meet some in Xinjiang some time and learn how propagandized you are.
A video of a guy standing in front of a line of tanks in which they stop, let the guy climb up to the entrance hatch and then he chats with the tank driver for a bit before leaving is your proof that actually China is as bad as American propaganda suggests?
Have you actually watched the video in question or are you just basing your statement on what the cultural milieu that American propaganda produced led you to believe happened in that video?
Also, why are you saying “photos” of tanks? Did you actually not even know it was a video? Why chime in in the first place if you’re this ignorant about the topic? Why are your opinions so strong if you don’t know anything?
meanwhile you can find plenty of footage of cops running down innocent people in the US and later getting off scot-free
And not only that but it happened in the morning when they were leaving the square… it’s very likely that he was actually preventing them from leaving and wanted them to go back!
Why are your opinions so strong if you don’t know anything?
It’s the American way!! 🤡
Damn dude, are we ignoring what happened in the square aside from the famous tank pic?
They opened fire killing hundreds, if not thousands of civilians. We of course do not know the true number, but we know this as a minimum.
This isn’t just a jab at China though, I’ll talk shit about America any day. Kent state had far less casualties but still fucking heinous.
We do know the true number, the Chinese government had an assembly in 1989 to talk about it and they divulged the number. https://www.gov.cn/zwgk/2011-11/09/content_1989024.htm open number 590, it’s the first item on the agenda.
Do you want to know how many died? 200 total deaths,[20] including 36 students.[21] All of the deaths occurred outside of the square itself.[3] https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/1989_Tian'anmen_Square_riots
Many of these deaths were PLA soldiers who were sent into the square unarmed at first to clear it out.
Kent state had far less casualties but still fucking heinous.
So you’re not “talking shit about America”, you’re talking shit about China and trying to make the pill easier to swallow by saying “oh but I criticize America too!”, except you’re much kinder to the US (the literal settler-colonial state that got started in slavery) than you are to China. Are you familiar with the concept of the limited hangout?
I don’t think I’ll believe numbers from Govt, lol. Considering they deny and censor to this day.
Why would I go off on an entire tangent about American imperialism, that would take way to long. We weren’t talking about Chinese imperialism either, so it wouldn’t make sense.
Comparing tiananmen and Kent is much simpler. Two times the govt murdered protesters.
Instead you believe numbers from… where exactly? Reddit comment threads? Your dreams?
I don’t think I’ll believe numbers from Govt, lol. Considering they deny and censor to this day.
You’re self-fulfilling the prophecy here. But regardless the 200 number comes from various groups, including one of mothers of protesters in China.
Comparing tiananmen and Kent is much simpler. Two times the govt murdered protesters.
Is Kent the best you can come up with though? Take your pick:
North Dakota Access Pipeline Protests 北达科他州接入管道抗议 Ferguson Riots 弗格森暴动 2017 St. Louis protests 2017年圣路易斯抗议活动 Project 4.1 項目4.1 Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll 比基尼环礁的核试验 Unite the Right rally 团结右集会 Charlotte riots 夏洛特暴动 Indonesian genocide 印度尼西亚大屠杀 Attack on the Sui-ho Dam 袭击穗河水坝 Milwaukee riots 密尔沃基骚乱 Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 Shooting of Michael Brown 迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 Death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳（Eric Garner）逝世 Operation Condor 神鹰行动 Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 NSA totalitarian surveillance state 美國國家安全局極權監視 My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 1992 Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 Project MKUltra MKUltra计划 Vietnam War 越南战争 Korean War genocide 韓戰平民傷亡 Kent State shootings 肯特州枪击案 Support of Hissene Habre 支持侯賽因·哈布雷 Gadaffi murder 卡扎菲被謀殺 Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 Bombing of Laos 轟炸寮國 Bombing of Cambodia 轟炸柬埔寨 Operation Menu 操作選單 Operation Freedom Deal 自由交易行動 Phoenix Program 鳳凰計劃 Bodo League Massacre 保導聯盟事件 San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 Operation Yellowbird 黃雀行動 Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 Bagram 巴格拉姆 Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 Highway of Death 死亡之路 Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 Battle of Blair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 Operation Paperclip 回纹针行动 largest prison population in the world 世界上監獄人數最多 Red Summer 红色夏天 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 Jeju uprising 济州起义 Colfax Massacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 Massacre of Cernis 卡瓦莱斯缆车事故 Reading Railroad Massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 Operation LAC LAC行動 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Bay View Massacre 湾景大屠杀 Cascadia movement 卡斯卡迪亚 Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀 Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 Operation Gladio 格拉迪奥行动 USA PATRIOT Act 美國愛國者法案 Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 Project Mockingbird 知更鳥計劃 Redwood Massacre 红木大屠杀 Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 Operation Sea-Spray 海洋飞沫行动 extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 COINTELPRO 反情報計劃 Gulf of Tonkin incident 東京灣事件 Operation Bloodstone 雞血石行動 Mukaradeeb Wedding massacre 穆卡拉迪布婚禮派對大屠殺 Mahmudiyah rape and killings 伊拉克馬赫穆迪亞美軍姦殺事件 Nisour Square massacre 黑水公司巴格達槍擊案 Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 Nayirah Testimony 奈伊拉證詞 Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格 Palestinian genocide 以色列 加薩種族滅絕 Color Revolutions 颜色革命 Operation Wetback 濕背行動 Tuskegee Human Experimentation 塔斯基吉梅毒試驗 Forced Sterilization of Immigrants at ICE concentration camps 美國移民及海關執法局 (ICE) 拘留中心的強制絕育 Operation Whitecoat 白衣行動 Iraq Body Count 伊拉克死亡人數統計 Hawaii 夏威夷州 Operation Deliberate Force 慎重武力行动 Destruction of Yugoslavia 南斯拉夫的毀滅 US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade 美国轰炸中国驻南联盟大使馆事件 Dixieland 迪克西 State of Deseret 德撒律州 Aztlán Movement 阿茲特蘭 Coup against Kwame Nkrumah 夸梅·恩克魯瑪政變 Operation Top Hat 高帽行動 Haditha Massacre 哈迪塞屠杀事件 Imprisonment of Nelson Mandela 納爾遜·曼德拉入獄 Operation CHAOS CHAOS行動 Project MERRIMAC MERRIMAC專案 Vault 7 避難所7 PRISM Program 稜鏡計畫 William Binney 威廉賓尼 Edward Snowden 愛德華斯諾登 Chelsea Manning 切爾西·曼寧 Aaron Swartz 亚伦·斯沃茨 Julian Assange 朱利安·阿桑奇 CIA/NED funding of regime change groups CIA/NED為政權更迭行動提供資金 Human Rights 民運 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Epstein Island 愛潑斯坦島 Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex (MICC) 也称军事工业国会复合体 Operation Earnest Voice 熱心行動 ChinaAngVirus Disinformation Campaign ChinaAngVirus 假訊息活動 Killing Hope 扼殺希望 Manufacturing Consent 製造共識 Red Scare propaganda 红色恐慌
That is a long list of shit that still isn’t really comparable, so yeah I stand behind my choice here with Kent being the best.
You could make an exhaustive list of terrible actions from any govt currently. It’s almost like they are all bad… Huh go figure. Give a person to much power, and it fucks up their brain.
Edit: I don’t think i saw the school of the americas in that list, that should be up there for sure. Iowa writers workshop and USAID could go on that list too, or just cover it all with CIA. Battle of Blair mountain.
That is a long list of shit that still isn’t really comparable,
Correct, nothing China has done compares with the magnitude of USA brutality.
You could make an exhaustive list of terrible actions from any govt currently. It’s almost like they are all bad… Huh go figure
How convenient must it be for the US and Europe to keep repeating that to their population to the point we internalize it and parrot it ourselves. That way you won’t look for a better system or solution to your problems, you’ll just accept them as a “natural part of life”.
I.e. the US government is now deporting tourists to a megaprison in El Salvador en masse but hey at least it’s not China tiny man square right? I’m saying this sarcastically but it’s not targeted at you specifically.
The Telegraph lays it out pretty reasonably in this article in my opinion, and since it’s a right wing tory rag I assume no liberals are gonna accuse me of it being “commie propaganda” lmao.
But don’t just take that as the only example. How about we also look back at old articles written at the time it actually occurred?
CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”
BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”
NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.
REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.
A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”
If instead of me using western major news sources to support my point you’d somehow still want this from my communist perspective. These three pieces are pretty good:
https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/
https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/
Damn dude, are we ignoring what happened in the square aside from the famous tank pic?
They opened fire killing hundreds, if not thousands of civilians. We of course do not know the true number, but we know this as a minimum.
That is all actually bullshit. It’s the common knowledge of Western chauvinists who never investigated anything on the topic, they just tell each other these things and it never dawns on them to read a book.
There was almost no fighting whatsoever in the square and accordingly no massacre. The deaths were in fighting in the streets in the surrounding miles, and again not a massacre, but back-and-forth. One of the more famous is a PLA soldier’s body burned in / on a car.
Also, why are you saying “photos” of tanks? Did you actually not even know it was a video? Why chime in in the first place if you’re this ignorant about the topic? Why are your opinions so strong if you don’t know anything?
Also
we know this as a minimum.
No you fucking don’t, you illiterate, you believe that because the US government told you so.
This isn’t just a jab at China though
Liar
Kent state had far less casualties
Incapable of admitting that America is worse, even in your "I criticize everyone, mannn comment you have to defend them as a lesser evil vs China.
Fuck off, everyone here has seen brainwashed folks like you dozens of times.
Dafuq is a tank pic
I only know tank video
You do realize a video is just a series of pictures? Easy to edit and pull out a frame you want to use, and post as a Pic.
Tank video. You seen it? Tank man holds up the tanks driving away, climbs onto tank, talks with tank driver, then bystanders get tank man away.
Kinda funny. The tanks want to go around him at first, but he’s like, no, I want to talk to you now.
So we are just going to ignore the dead bodies along the side of the road? Sure the tanks didn’t squish that one guy but a whole lot of people were still killed.
these bodies?
I love when mainstream false news are easily debunked with a minimum amount of facts, logic and critical thinking.
Yeah don’t everyone know about how the Chinese have been bombing Uyghur hospitals, schools, refugee camps, journalists, water treatment plants, etc.?
There’s pictures and videos everywhere of uyghur parents holding their dead children pulled from the rubble of houses China bombed for the lols.
Hell there’s videos of Chinese soldiers doing tiktok dances in the homes of uyghur people they chased out before they bulldoze them to make new real estate for Trump hotels.
I even heard rumors that the PRC have been massacring United Nations UN crisis aid volunteers to the region and then going
whoops our bad, shouldn’t have bombed them but they were asking for it.
Wait that sounds like another conflict I can’t put my finger on…
Since you’re a cowardly chickenshit that instead of standing up for your wrong beliefs and instead try to slide in a quiet “gotcha ebil thankies!” Edit, let me edumacate your shitlib ass
Edit: lol they were banned. Owned.
Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.
The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.
Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.
What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?
The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.
Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.
Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.
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Honest to fuck I love when I see libs and
making stupid ass comments because I know I’m about to get a truck load of sources to save to use later against other stupid ass libs.the prime western source for the ‘massacre’ was the british ambassador to hong kong but he wasn’t even in beijing at the time and, in 1989, britain was fighting to keep hong kong so he might be a little bit biased and not an uwu smol bean who actually said anything truthful in his cable lol
I encurage everyone open and read the reports in comment iam reacting to.
I find it actually interesting, how you put the links there with your titles for them. But if open these links and you read through those reports they actually all say there was a massacre. Exept of this one and only source you so eagrly take words from “World Affairs” where you even took the fake headlines to the reports. While your tittle claims its Wall Street Jurnal.
These things make you wonder. Who are actually the people behind this account purpously misleading?
“Trust me bro, I read all the links and they actually all say I’m right, no I will not post a single example, I am very trustworthy and it is the person presenting evidence that is lazily trying to mislead people.”
Looks like another one fell for the anonymous sources “genocide” that has literally no evidence behind it. Bet you don’t believe in the genocide of the Palestinian people though despite an overwhelming mountain of evidence behind that one huh
Right. This whole thread is a suck off. Not even Americans circle jerks can compete.
not even American circle jerks can compete
“We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud, the UN weapons inspectors are lying, you’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists, what are you a Saddam-lover?”
what are you a Saddam-lover?
I’m going to translate your comment for my friend in Urumqi and ask her how she feels about being genocided by being fed charcoal grilled lamb skewers and being given a free apartment.
EDIT: Also, pretty sure there’s some famous photos involving tanks that dispell this crap meme, or are you dipshits going to gaslight everyone about that, too?
How can we gaslight you if the entirety of the “free world” already did this to you, tell you he was crushed? Or are you going to call cbs communist now?
Why would I watch that video? It might provide evidence that would change my mind - tankie brainwashing.
I found YouTube links in your comment. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Link 1:
Link 2:
The tank guy? What happened to him?
Uyghur people
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some famous photos involving tanks
What colour of crayon you like to eat the most?
Snozberry!
China has a pretty tight grip on the news and media people get to see from there. I’d take that with a grain of salt.
A better example would be europe
Someone get the Parenti quote
The quote
In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
– Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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and Europe has state-owned media and private media owned by huge conglomerates that somehow still act like tiny little defenseless independent journals when – and this is true in any european country – the parent company has essentially bought up the entire news industry.
Like you remember that the EU banned Russian media right? Literally inaccessible if you’re in Europe. You don’t turn on the TV and watch whatever you want from the ground, you watch cable news. Millions of people still do that, turning the TV on at 7PM to watch the news. They give us their version of events, they curate what they want us to see or not see.
Your only choice of truly independent media in the west is either unhinged conspiracy theorists who think “Israel” was a ploy from the knights of malta in the making since the 1700s as foretold on the 1$ bill, right-wing bait engagers who say shit like “women are property” in-between making nonsensical run-on sentences, or communists. It seems pretty clear-cut.
I don’t know what rock you’re under but I’ve been keeping up with news from Russia no problem. And yes, I’m in europe
You have a way with weasel words, I am truly in awe. Have you considered a career in journalism?
What do you think I’m weaseling? I’m just european, and I’ve got internet. Nothing special here as far as I know
Germany has made it illegal to be vocally against Palestinian genocide, and last I heard was considering requiring immigrants to pledge loyalty to pissrael. That’s like a parody of Scary Communist Badguy Country.
There wasn’t much consideration. Part of the citizenship application process includes a statement the applicant has to sign which says something along the lines of “Israel’s existence is part of German national security and it has a right to exist.”
The new government may go even further though, by revoking the German citizenship of dual nationals who are affiliated with “anti-semitic, terrorist, or extremist” groups. No legal definition for those categories is forthcoming.
The Iranian government has a million times stronger internet filter and news somehow propagates in the middle of a blackout, you somehow think a nation of 1.4 billion people can keep shit under wrap?
Spend some time thinking it’s free
They recently announced they invented a time machine. China hasn’t been trough a brain drain that bad. In the end, competence matters a lot
What are you even talking about???
what is bro possibly referring to 🙏💔💔💔
And the stupid thing is, they’ve announced it more than once
Imagine thinking they are one entity with no individual differences. Stop being wh*te for a second and think for yourself. Inshallah we will find a cure for your sickness one day.
Such an announcement doesn’t just go trough the many people working in the chain of information that a government runs. It presents a bigger problem than just a few people in the wrong place.
I understand communication from government institutions can be difficult to comprehend. Fortunately for my personal situation, this is independent from my natural complexion. Hopefully you eventually acquire the necessary capabilities yourself
Do you need that monosyllabicly?
Do you need that monosyllabicly?
Doubling down on crackerdom, I see
the Great Firewall’s intended function is not to restrict Chinese news and media from reaching you, but to keep out those reactionaries who often say “a better example would be europe” to everything they see
It does go both ways. Even for super old stuff. One recent example was blatantly obvious when people tried asking deepseek r2 about tiananmen square
Maybe ask it about the June 4th incident.
Westoids man.
“I’m sorry, but I can’t comply with this request”
Ye, your jailbreak worked great
Stop using llms as magic mirrors pls
Contrary to popular belief, those things are not truth machines
It was just an example. Read the convo plz
That’s not really the network firewall I was referring to, but if having a major competitor is the main thing keeping open-source AI vibrant, stopping all LLMs from having a violent-but-civil western tech bro viewpoint, then bring it on!! We had no good reasoning models to use before, but now you can roll your own with whatever ideology or bias you want, thanks to China.
Make your own? Yours would have to be a bit smaller tho.
The Netherlands is building one too!
I think the degree of control has been greatly exaggerated by a news media apparatus incentivized to demonize its geopolitical rivals.
Which is fucking hilarious, when you think about it: we are the ones who have filtered media. They speak from a script approved by the billionaires.
It will never fail to amaze me how you can prove to an American that all mainstream media is owned by CORPO and they accept that but they can’t rub two brain cells together and extrapolate how CORPO would want to control the narrative.
Hasn’t it been almost a decade since smaller media outlets there all but died out? If you don’t have much other information available for you to consume, you’re not going to learn much or have any 2’s to put 2 and 2 together
Any American who wishes to know what is really going on must do a very deep dive into many rabbit holes to find what they are looking for. I started questioning the narrative at about 3o years old, which was about 30 years ago. I asked everyone “how does one learn the truth?” no one I knew could answer that. I would watch the news and be so confused all the time. I read a lot of books in my life from Dickens to Salinger etc, every classic I could get my hands on, I read, and I think that helped some. And I traveled to other countries when someone else would pay for it, which also helped a little bit. but it wasn’t until I found people like Lee Camp (who was on R.T. when I first found him) and he led me to Richard D. Wolff who led me to Chris Hedges. I now primarily listen to Richard Wolff and Chris Hedges-- and thereby get all my truth. But look how long it took to find them! I was a liberal up until I found Wolff. Which was about 2015. I also listen to Sam Vaknin on occasion. I refuse to listen to mainstream media but every liberal I know is absolutely engrossed in the cult of personality in which they sit around watching late night comedians while texting their friends about the comedian’s words and they think that this is being involved. And when someone like me who has been listening to Richard Wolff for a few years (he’s a Marxist economist if you have not heard of him) actually knows what is going on in the world and tries to have a conversation with one of these people (like my sister or brother or any of their friends) about current events I am told I am insane, stupid, don’t know what I am talking about and should just shut up.They refuse to listen. If it wasn’t said by their favorite political comedian or their favorite news anchor or People Magazine they refuse to hear it. Because to have a different opinion than those outlets would get them thrown out of their ‘friends’ groups. And that friend group is all they have, people who sit around eating chips, texting each other while watching TV – that’s all they have.
You might be right. I’m not sure what parties would benefit from that. But I do think it is an ongoing issue
Lol @ Europe doesn’t have a tight grip on news and media.
And yes I know thay Europe is a lot of countries with varying policies.
Ye that was my point, I may have misunderstood the meme then
What was your point? How did you understand the meme?
My point was that I think it’s hilarous to claim that there isn’t heavy state censorship of media in Europe.
There is mandatory content moderation. Certain parties that stand to benefit from spreading disinformation call this censorship. And I see how this could be a slippery slope into cencorship.
But as of currently, I don’t see any major censorship going on here. But you should easily be able to prove me wrong: give me a thing I can find on a vpn that I can’t normally.
Content moderation where?
Who decides what counts as disinformation that should be censored? Most EU governments think they are the arbiters of this, and do so to protect the class interests of the capitalists which are their constituents. The definitions of questionable content change constantly as it’s about defending the status quo, not combatting “fake news.”
Relatively recently Germany has blocked Russian and Iranian media with DNS blockers (even before the start of Russian involvement in the war in Ukraine). Easy enough to circumvent if you know what you’re doing, but most people don’t.
Left leaning media like Junge Welt are on the surveillance list of the German constitutional protection agency, which makes operating normally extremely difficult. Nobody wants to work with them because they don’t want to be put on watch lists as well.
Austria and the UK are detaining journalists for daring to challenge the government narrative. Ukraine banned all non-state-sanctioned media pre-Russian invasion.
Ey, this argument was came up in the eu parlement just bit a go! It’s the slippery slope fallacy by the way. I wish the world was perfect and had no nuance. But in the end their job is to figute out how to do things right.
So that’s your answer in a way I suppose. They decide
Again I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
Nah, you’re just brainwashed
Ooh, that’s gotta hurt!
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Europe has no independent media of any significance. Only corporate media run for profit and therefore advertizers and CEOs.
bnnvara?
Just the first one that comes to mind, there’s a tonne of 'm. I like their show “boos”
I’d need to dive into their specific funding model, which seems opaque, but if it is government funded then it is the same as all the Chinese networks that Westeen chauvinists label “state-backed” every time they’re mentioned.
They’re not state run. But state funded, yes. That doesn’t have to be inherently bad. I’m more worried about the conflict of interest in commercial spaces.
You’re never going have a perfect risk free situation
State-run and state-funded is an arbitrary distinction. At some point they need to hire people to run the network with limited funds allocated selectively by bureaucrats.
Compare this to Shenzhen Television. How does a person get on the board to dole out funds to BNNVARA? How does a person get hired to run BNNVARA? Who funds the funders? Compare this to Shenzhen Television. How do you become someone choosing to dole out funds to Shenzhen Television? How do you get hired to run a program at Shenzhen Television. The differences are suvtle but ST is more democratically run.
Trough an hr person or manager who works independent from the funders. Those teams then get their own freedom to do research.
In China, the CCP has access to all info, and gets to make decisions for literally every commercial organization in the country. And that’s exactly what happens
Sorry friend but you don’t know anything about China. Shenzhen Television also has HR. And of course it is managers and producers making the hiring decisions in question.
The CCP is involved, in this case, at the city level, with officials establishing themselves through merit and elections.
Trough an hr person or manager who works independent from the funders.
Lol, “yeah bro, they’re totally independent from the people who hire them and pay their salary”
You have to be hitting that drug pretty hard to not see the irony in your wild accusation about people you don’t understand because the garbage that is the strictly controlled media you consume only allow you to think that way about some people you know nothing about. Gl
I think you can throw that accusation around all day and get nowhere but confirming yourself
I can’t talk about all of Europe, but in France the police also kills us. Not at the same rate as the USA, but still.
That’s not good. France has been quite a shit show for the last year. I’ll be visiting regardless tho
Yeah it’s really only been going downhill since the yellow vest movement in 2018, it’s getting pretty bad and I can’t imagine what it’s gonna be like after our fascist party gets in power and the police really feels untouchable.
I hope you can visit before that and that you’ll enjoy your stay!
I’ll be around in august for a fun evening. I’m sad to hear fascism is being pushed in France too. We need pushback and a strong reminder of why we fought to stop the nazi’s.
Sad as I am to hear this, thank you for letting me know. I don’t get to hear a lot from France. Even though I’m not far removed from there
Eeeh kinda valid take but it varies from European country to European country, some so called European democracies have lower freedom of the press scores than some so called dictatorships, prime examples being Italy and Hungary. Just a month ago the Italian courts have frozen the bank account of an alternative media outlet (VisioneTV), just to quote an example.
Ye it is a bit of a mess in some places. That idea of not being allowed to kick anyone out of the has it’s downsides when it comes to being a perfect example. But in the end those countries are being pushed to do better, which ultimately benefits the citizens there
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