just because we have shiny new inventions every year doesnt mean its working for everyone. the entire system of capitalism is based on taking advantage of the poor. to the point of killing them directly and indirectly en mass, through war and poverty related illness. so that the rich can own more property and assets.
Capitalism is based on private property. Private property is a state-organized system of lethal force to produce conditions of deprivation of the many on behalf of the individual. By establishing my private property rights to a parcel of land, the state enforces my ability to exclude all 8 billion people on the planet today, and every single person who will ever be born afterward, from ever being able to use my land even to simply exist on it. When that system underpins your society, you can easily see how capitalism is based on taking advantage of the poor to the point of killing them directly or indirectly en masse.
For example, I establish private property rights over a large portion of the country. How? The state literally gave it to me. Then, I subdivided it up and sold it to many people. They individually build fences on the land and now animal migration paths have fundamentally changed, water downstream is now undrinkable, and everything on that land is completely inaccessible to anyone unless the owners each make profits on it - even that means people starve. Don’t like it? Get a job! From whom? Well, the people who own the land have work for you to do and they can pay you because they hoard the resources under private property law. In fact, basically everyone has to work for someone who owns private property. That’s why the path out of poverty and to “financial independence” is by acquiring “assets” (private property) that generate “revenue” (profits) like rentals. Because you own and they don’t, they have to pay you to live. Renters have no choice but to rent from someone who owns something, and owners will always charge more than it would take for the renter to live there by themselves, because the owner must make a profit or they will let the would-be-renters be unhoused and die in the street.
This is the foundation. Mass deprivation enforced by state violence. There’s a reason sheriff’s departments exist to evict tenants but not to recover stolen security deposits. There’s a reason cops will gun you down for running away from a shoplifting scene but won’t take a police report for stolen wages. All of capitalist society is organized around the mass deprivation that is private property and the protection of the owner’s “right” to profit simply by owning something and they will send the FBI to imprison you for downloading music and movies but nothing can be done with a corporation that knowingly causes lead poisoning in millions of children.
Capitalism cannot be reformed. Private property must be dismantled for society to advance and without private property, capitalism ceases to exist.
then why is the american military the largest expenditure by the US government? why does the military industrial complex exist? why does the “richest nation on earth” have the largest debt, no free healthcare, a massive homeless population, but also the most billionaires? why do they survive by exploiting third world countries where people starve to death daily? why do they constantly undermine socialist and communist movements in other countries that have valuable resources? going so far as to assassinate popular leaders and trading them for puppet dictators?
thats literally capitalism living off the backs of the poor, and murdering them for profit, and they have to keep them poor so they can take advantage of them. thats why capitalism hates unions, labour laws, and social reform at home and abroad. it effects the bottom line and maximum profit margins. its inherent in the system, and a part of its structure. its what allows it to “work” in the first place. and whenever capitalism has its way, unchecked, the poor suffer and die as a result. through no fault of their own besides being born into an unequal society, with little or no opportunity because of their lack of starting capital, compared to the wealthier participants in the same system.
i implore you to read almost any book on american history and economics. the US itself was built on genocide and slavery for the purpose of profit, under the guise of freedom. and that simply evolved into different forms over the years, its still prevalent to this day.
i wish you well on your journey of self education on this topic.
then why is the american military the largest expenditure by the US government?
Its not and the fact you couldnt even do basic research to prevent parroting an obviously incorrect fact is shocking. Like I said before, your analysis is vibes based not reality based.
the department of defence spending is the single largest catagory within discretionary spending. 842 billion in 2024 alone. easily verifiable if you cared enough to even type it into google. or use the wayback machine for pre trump admin white washing of .gov websites if you like it raw. dont even attempt to lump in social security and medicaid together along with several other discretionary spending categories like a talking head at fox news would to make your “point”, thats misinformation, or straight up confusion on your part.
this isnt a vibe, its a fact. so, with all do respect, perhaps practice what you preach, and do your research.
Of course im aware its the largest item its category once you filter spending into categories that specifically remove welfare and debt spending. Discretionary spending specifically is a small part of government expenditure so trying to pass the top item off as the largest expenditure by the government is misleading.
Skimming through the rest of your comment I can see i was right to ignore it since pretty much everything is wrong. Military industrial complex doesnt exist, majority of rich nations have debt, US has “free” healthcare its just worse than non existent, plenty of countries have “large” homeless populations and lastly yes a lot of countries have billionaires.
None of this is a capitalism problem. Its all the fault of poor governance. Given the track record of american leadership they would be in a far worse spot if they were at the mercy of their government for everything. Right now we see their government actively trying to destroy them.
unlike you, i dont “skim” counter arguments, i prefer to read and understand where they went wrong, or right. lets dive in to your mind a bit, shall we?
“Of course I’m aware it’s the largest item in its category once you filter spending into categories that specifically remove welfare and debt spending.”
Yeah, that’s kind of the point. You’re minimizing military spending by slicing up the budget categories until the elephant in the room fits in a closet. Within discretionary spending—the part Congress actually debates every year—military spending is the single biggest slice by far. In FY2024, the U.S. military budget was $842 billion, dwarfing most other departments. Acting like that’s a meaningless stat is disingenuous.
“Discretionary spending specifically is a small part of government expenditure…”
Only because mandatory programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are locked in. But when it comes to spending decisions our elected officials actively control, defense gets the lion’s share. So yeah, it’s still relevant.
“Military industrial complex doesn’t exist.”
Come on. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s literal U.S. presidential history. Eisenhower coined the term in 1961 warning about the influence of the defense industry on public policy. Since then, the intertwining of defense contractors, government funding, and foreign policy has been extensively documented. Pretending it’s fake is like saying lobbying doesn’t exist.
“Majority of rich nations have debt.”
Sure. But the existence of debt doesn’t make all spending equal. A lot of those nations invest more proportionally in healthcare, infrastructure, and education. The U.S., meanwhile, throws nearly half of its discretionary budget at the Pentagon, while millions can’t afford basic meds. So debt isn’t the problem—how you spend is.
“US has ‘free’ healthcare it’s just worse than non-existent.”
This is just flat-out wrong. The U.S. doesn’t have free healthcare. Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA serve limited populations. Everyone else deals with high premiums, co-pays, and surprise bills. It’s literally the most expensive healthcare system in the world and still leaves millions under- or uninsured. So, no—it’s not “free,” and it’s not “worse than non-existent.” It’s just expensive and dysfunctional.
“Plenty of countries have ‘large’ homeless populations.”
That’s not the flex you think it is. The U.S. has one of the highest homelessness rates in the developed world, especially when measured against GDP per capita and housing stock. Comparing yourself to failing models doesn’t excuse your own failure.
“None of this is a capitalism problem. It’s all the fault of poor governance.”
Okay, but governance is shaped by the economic system. Capitalism, unregulated or poorly regulated, gives outsized power to corporations and billionaires who influence policy to protect their interests. That’s how you end up with tax loopholes, underfunded social programs, and endless defense budgets. Governance doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s downstream of capitalism in practice. the system itself is easily corruptable, making it extremely flawed.
“They’d be in a far worse spot if they were at the mercy of their government for everything.”
You’re already at the mercy of someone, either corporations or government. One is profit-driven, the other at least theoretically answerable to voters, or at least “was”. Acting like total privatization leads to freedom is just libertarian fanfic. and utterly insane.
TL; because i know you DR: You’re trying to minimize systemic issues by pretending they’re just bad luck or bad governance. But when you zoom out, they’re structural, tied to how capitalism works in the U.S. and who holds the power. Stop gaslighting people with bootstraps logic, its fox news drivel, and its not respected here.
read more, you obviously need to. if anyone here is posting a “vibes based” response, its you dude. i get you have a hard on for the “free market” but if you knew one thing about economics you’d know that the US stock market is the most corrupt one on earth, literally redesigned over the decades to filter money and shares from suckers to big fish, who in turn use it as leverage against the governments of the world. So they can further their agendas of power, control, and wealth aquisition. Trump, the “president”, was literally purchased and placed in his seat by a man who leveraged his overpriced, artificially inflated “hype” stock as collateral to buy a social media platform so he could spread the same rhetoric and misinformation you are currently spreading. that is a feature of capitalism, along with recessions that increase in frequency decade after decade. all so they can reap the new crops of small businesses and assets of the people for a song.
if you have any questions or statements. Im happy to educate any readers of these comments, correctly, with my responses.
just because we have shiny new inventions every year doesnt mean its working for everyone. the entire system of capitalism is based on taking advantage of the poor. to the point of killing them directly and indirectly en mass, through war and poverty related illness. so that the rich can own more property and assets.
its a horrible system.
Yeah… thats not what capitalism is based off but a nice vibes based analysis none the less.
Capitalism is based on private property. Private property is a state-organized system of lethal force to produce conditions of deprivation of the many on behalf of the individual. By establishing my private property rights to a parcel of land, the state enforces my ability to exclude all 8 billion people on the planet today, and every single person who will ever be born afterward, from ever being able to use my land even to simply exist on it. When that system underpins your society, you can easily see how capitalism is based on taking advantage of the poor to the point of killing them directly or indirectly en masse.
For example, I establish private property rights over a large portion of the country. How? The state literally gave it to me. Then, I subdivided it up and sold it to many people. They individually build fences on the land and now animal migration paths have fundamentally changed, water downstream is now undrinkable, and everything on that land is completely inaccessible to anyone unless the owners each make profits on it - even that means people starve. Don’t like it? Get a job! From whom? Well, the people who own the land have work for you to do and they can pay you because they hoard the resources under private property law. In fact, basically everyone has to work for someone who owns private property. That’s why the path out of poverty and to “financial independence” is by acquiring “assets” (private property) that generate “revenue” (profits) like rentals. Because you own and they don’t, they have to pay you to live. Renters have no choice but to rent from someone who owns something, and owners will always charge more than it would take for the renter to live there by themselves, because the owner must make a profit or they will let the would-be-renters be unhoused and die in the street.
This is the foundation. Mass deprivation enforced by state violence. There’s a reason sheriff’s departments exist to evict tenants but not to recover stolen security deposits. There’s a reason cops will gun you down for running away from a shoplifting scene but won’t take a police report for stolen wages. All of capitalist society is organized around the mass deprivation that is private property and the protection of the owner’s “right” to profit simply by owning something and they will send the FBI to imprison you for downloading music and movies but nothing can be done with a corporation that knowingly causes lead poisoning in millions of children.
Capitalism cannot be reformed. Private property must be dismantled for society to advance and without private property, capitalism ceases to exist.
then why is the american military the largest expenditure by the US government? why does the military industrial complex exist? why does the “richest nation on earth” have the largest debt, no free healthcare, a massive homeless population, but also the most billionaires? why do they survive by exploiting third world countries where people starve to death daily? why do they constantly undermine socialist and communist movements in other countries that have valuable resources? going so far as to assassinate popular leaders and trading them for puppet dictators?
thats literally capitalism living off the backs of the poor, and murdering them for profit, and they have to keep them poor so they can take advantage of them. thats why capitalism hates unions, labour laws, and social reform at home and abroad. it effects the bottom line and maximum profit margins. its inherent in the system, and a part of its structure. its what allows it to “work” in the first place. and whenever capitalism has its way, unchecked, the poor suffer and die as a result. through no fault of their own besides being born into an unequal society, with little or no opportunity because of their lack of starting capital, compared to the wealthier participants in the same system.
i implore you to read almost any book on american history and economics. the US itself was built on genocide and slavery for the purpose of profit, under the guise of freedom. and that simply evolved into different forms over the years, its still prevalent to this day.
i wish you well on your journey of self education on this topic.
Its not and the fact you couldnt even do basic research to prevent parroting an obviously incorrect fact is shocking. Like I said before, your analysis is vibes based not reality based.
the department of defence spending is the single largest catagory within discretionary spending. 842 billion in 2024 alone. easily verifiable if you cared enough to even type it into google. or use the wayback machine for pre trump admin white washing of .gov websites if you like it raw. dont even attempt to lump in social security and medicaid together along with several other discretionary spending categories like a talking head at fox news would to make your “point”, thats misinformation, or straight up confusion on your part.
this isnt a vibe, its a fact. so, with all do respect, perhaps practice what you preach, and do your research.
Of course im aware its the largest item its category once you filter spending into categories that specifically remove welfare and debt spending. Discretionary spending specifically is a small part of government expenditure so trying to pass the top item off as the largest expenditure by the government is misleading.
Skimming through the rest of your comment I can see i was right to ignore it since pretty much everything is wrong. Military industrial complex doesnt exist, majority of rich nations have debt, US has “free” healthcare its just worse than non existent, plenty of countries have “large” homeless populations and lastly yes a lot of countries have billionaires.
None of this is a capitalism problem. Its all the fault of poor governance. Given the track record of american leadership they would be in a far worse spot if they were at the mercy of their government for everything. Right now we see their government actively trying to destroy them.
unlike you, i dont “skim” counter arguments, i prefer to read and understand where they went wrong, or right. lets dive in to your mind a bit, shall we?
“Of course I’m aware it’s the largest item in its category once you filter spending into categories that specifically remove welfare and debt spending.”
Yeah, that’s kind of the point. You’re minimizing military spending by slicing up the budget categories until the elephant in the room fits in a closet. Within discretionary spending—the part Congress actually debates every year—military spending is the single biggest slice by far. In FY2024, the U.S. military budget was $842 billion, dwarfing most other departments. Acting like that’s a meaningless stat is disingenuous.
Only because mandatory programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are locked in. But when it comes to spending decisions our elected officials actively control, defense gets the lion’s share. So yeah, it’s still relevant.
Come on. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s literal U.S. presidential history. Eisenhower coined the term in 1961 warning about the influence of the defense industry on public policy. Since then, the intertwining of defense contractors, government funding, and foreign policy has been extensively documented. Pretending it’s fake is like saying lobbying doesn’t exist.
Sure. But the existence of debt doesn’t make all spending equal. A lot of those nations invest more proportionally in healthcare, infrastructure, and education. The U.S., meanwhile, throws nearly half of its discretionary budget at the Pentagon, while millions can’t afford basic meds. So debt isn’t the problem—how you spend is.
This is just flat-out wrong. The U.S. doesn’t have free healthcare. Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA serve limited populations. Everyone else deals with high premiums, co-pays, and surprise bills. It’s literally the most expensive healthcare system in the world and still leaves millions under- or uninsured. So, no—it’s not “free,” and it’s not “worse than non-existent.” It’s just expensive and dysfunctional.
That’s not the flex you think it is. The U.S. has one of the highest homelessness rates in the developed world, especially when measured against GDP per capita and housing stock. Comparing yourself to failing models doesn’t excuse your own failure.
“None of this is a capitalism problem. It’s all the fault of poor governance.”
You’re already at the mercy of someone, either corporations or government. One is profit-driven, the other at least theoretically answerable to voters, or at least “was”. Acting like total privatization leads to freedom is just libertarian fanfic. and utterly insane.
TL; because i know you DR: You’re trying to minimize systemic issues by pretending they’re just bad luck or bad governance. But when you zoom out, they’re structural, tied to how capitalism works in the U.S. and who holds the power. Stop gaslighting people with bootstraps logic, its fox news drivel, and its not respected here.
read more, you obviously need to. if anyone here is posting a “vibes based” response, its you dude. i get you have a hard on for the “free market” but if you knew one thing about economics you’d know that the US stock market is the most corrupt one on earth, literally redesigned over the decades to filter money and shares from suckers to big fish, who in turn use it as leverage against the governments of the world. So they can further their agendas of power, control, and wealth aquisition. Trump, the “president”, was literally purchased and placed in his seat by a man who leveraged his overpriced, artificially inflated “hype” stock as collateral to buy a social media platform so he could spread the same rhetoric and misinformation you are currently spreading. that is a feature of capitalism, along with recessions that increase in frequency decade after decade. all so they can reap the new crops of small businesses and assets of the people for a song.
if you have any questions or statements. Im happy to educate any readers of these comments, correctly, with my responses.