I also don’t think gendered sports need to exist, just have people try out and be put into classes based on their performance instead of gender. The current system is kind of unfair to everyone because there are some sports that only have one gendered team in a lot of places. Like at my university I think only men can play rugby. I don’t know enough about sports to know how to properly implement a good system, but I’m sure it could be figured out and probably end up making sports more fun for everybody. Either way, strength definitely doesn’t completely follow gender or sex, my friends who are cis women could absolutely beat me up.
If a team wants to exclude trans women who consistently outperform their competition, fine, as long as they also exclude cis women who are equally high performers. I don’t think that would be smart, but I also don’t think it’s like morally objectionable. If they want to exclude all trans women regardless of performance and not exclude high performing cis women, then it’s not about fairness, it’s about discrimination.
I’m no sports expert though, and I would guess the majority of trans women don’t play any sports, so I feel like this issue really doesn’t need to be seen as so important. I’d say leave it to the actual players to figure out
I’m not going to try and convince you of anything, but your response is a good summary of the problem. You started off by saying “trans people aren’t hurting you so just let people be”, and now you’re saying that men should be able to force their way into women’s sports even if the women don’t want them there.
Calling it “discrimination” isn’t a direct call for legal action, but it is suggestive of it, and trying to use the courts to force one’s way into places you don’t belong and aren’t wanted is immoral.
Saying “Trans woman are men” isn’t an attack. It’s a factual, neutral statement. Come up with new terms, and stop trying to create newspeak. Use “femme” and “masc”, they’ve got popularity already and don’t try to redefine language to allow men to invade women’s spaces.
I also don’t think gendered sports need to exist, just have people try out and be put into classes based on their performance instead of gender. The current system is kind of unfair to everyone because there are some sports that only have one gendered team in a lot of places. Like at my university I think only men can play rugby. I don’t know enough about sports to know how to properly implement a good system, but I’m sure it could be figured out and probably end up making sports more fun for everybody. Either way, strength definitely doesn’t completely follow gender or sex, my friends who are cis women could absolutely beat me up.
If women want gendered sports, you’ll agree that men shouldn’t be allowed into women’s sports, even if they’re trans women?
If a team wants to exclude trans women who consistently outperform their competition, fine, as long as they also exclude cis women who are equally high performers. I don’t think that would be smart, but I also don’t think it’s like morally objectionable. If they want to exclude all trans women regardless of performance and not exclude high performing cis women, then it’s not about fairness, it’s about discrimination.
I’m no sports expert though, and I would guess the majority of trans women don’t play any sports, so I feel like this issue really doesn’t need to be seen as so important. I’d say leave it to the actual players to figure out
I’m not going to try and convince you of anything, but your response is a good summary of the problem. You started off by saying “trans people aren’t hurting you so just let people be”, and now you’re saying that men should be able to force their way into women’s sports even if the women don’t want them there.
Women deserve single-sex spaces.
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Thank you for not personally trying to force your way into women’s sports, but other men are:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/tennis/trans-athlete-cameron-woodman-barred-from-nyc-tennis-league-after-a-cis-woman-lost-to-her-and-complained/ar-AA1CfdFQ
Calling it “discrimination” isn’t a direct call for legal action, but it is suggestive of it, and trying to use the courts to force one’s way into places you don’t belong and aren’t wanted is immoral.
Saying “Trans woman are men” isn’t an attack. It’s a factual, neutral statement. Come up with new terms, and stop trying to create newspeak. Use “femme” and “masc”, they’ve got popularity already and don’t try to redefine language to allow men to invade women’s spaces.