I went on there for about 30 seconds and found a āThe Donaldā successor with UniversalMonk posting a little stream of total fantasy about how good the tariffs are and how Trump is going to save us.
I think now that the literal concentration camps are up and running, and people are going into them, itās time to say that the modern Republican regime is todayās Nazi Party.
Iām actually fine with talking with a Republican online or in person, maybe Iām in the minority here in that. But weāve all learned from experience that, at least in its current anonymous-online-forum behavior, that openly pro-Nazi contingent is never just looking to have a conversation and be reasonable about expressing what they honestly believe because they think itās helping the country as a whole, and come to understanding. Theyāre always going to start threatening people over DMs after a while. Theyāre always going to post a steady stream of total fantasy, which they donāt actually believe or try to defend, just to try to manipulate the landscape by having it exist as a little offensive torrent which helps them in their work. Theyāre always going to manipulate the narrative and censor opposing speech in spaces they control. āFree speechā is always going to turn out to be a fiction once itās speech they donāt agree with. Because that is their ideology: That itās okay to cheat as long as youāre on their team, and the other team doesnāt deserve any type of human rights.
āFree speechā doesnāt mean one moderator can run their forum however they want. It doesnāt mean we have to listen to one person forever, however much they want to say, but they donāt have to listen to us if they donāt want to. It doesnāt work the way youāre saying it does. Itās a philosophy of freedom of ideas. Itās a shared social contract that comes with obligations, not just grants of what youāre allowed to do. Itās the idea that you may not agree with someone, but you need to hear them out and then engage honestly with what theyāre saying. That we need to live together and protect the weakest or āwrongestā among us. That being a society as free humans with our inalienable rights is more important than our team winning. Itās not a set of code that provides everyone write access to the space, or a total-openness-of-moderation policy. It is a commitment to the idea that if we talk honestly with each other and respect each other, even if we donāt agree about something, weāll be able to work it out, because even someone who you think is wrong as hell might have a point. The crucial piece youāre missing is that it has to cut both ways. Someone whoās claiming the shield, has to be also willing to provide the same shield to others in the space, and otherwise it is completely fair not to welcome them. Thatās why every public servant has to swear an oath to the constitution. The oath is not āNow that Iām in charge I solemnly swear to do whatever the fuck I want, until someone else gets in charge and they can do the same to me.ā
If someoneās not on board for it cutting both ways, but theyāre hijacking some kind of open tool or democratic public space to make a pretense that they do so they can advance their agenda of killing or imprisoning their enemies and shutting down democracy in a place it used to exist, most reasonable people will tell them to get the fuck out. Thatās not censorship. Itās self-defense. Itās the same as ejecting from a public meeting someone who blows hard on a whistle every time their opponents try to speak, passes them notes that they might be killed or their house burned down if they keep talking, and then stands up with a quavering voice and swears their commitment to open society and freedom, and says they canāt understand all these people who are aiming such hateful behavior at them because they said they were a bad person. I can easily find examples of all of that on your instance, I can be specific if you want me to. Do you want me to?
Iām not trying to bully you or your instance or anything personal towards you. But you guys have suffered reputational harm at this point because youāve welcomed people who are actively trying to do harm to the rest of us. Not just harm but literal death and literal imprisonment. A lot of us, I assume, are thinking about fleeing the country, getting weapons to defend ourselves. A lot of us are real fucking worried about friends and family. Weāre wondering what the fuck we even do now. Weāre within our rights to want nothing more to do with you, if you welcome the viewpoint that all of that is okay. Or, not even that: If you welcome people who are okay lying about their own viewpoint and manipulating the space to try to advance that work and make it more effective.
Like I say: There is a genuine viewpoint thatās adjacent to what youāre saying that I agree with. I donāt think most of the Republican rank-and-file is our enemy (even if we might wind up in a war with them soon, depending). I donāt think shutting out particular honest political viewpoints is the way. I think we have to be able to talk to each other to even be able to begin to approach and heal from this fucking chasm in our society. It goes deeper than just the current Republican regime. But, like I say, once we get back down the rank-and-file level of individual people:
It was a very clear, very coherent, passionate and informative explanation of why some important things are important. Thank you for taking the time to write it. Lots more people will read it than respond to it. People like you make lemmy a better place.
He is definitely a Trump fanboy, I really donāt care about Trump that much - itās OK to see things differently. I personally cringe at that community too, but they are not breaking our rules. My personal views have nothing to do with it.
I think it is an insult to anyone who has had to endure the horrors of nazi concentration camps, to make that comparison so loosely. They were nothing like what is happening today in America, not even close.
Iām not going to dive into actual US politics (are Republicans nazis, are the Democrats nazis, etc) since Iām not even American and thatās a cesspit I have no business in. Depending on who you talk to, someone else is always the nazi. What I can say is that our instance has clear rules on the type of content we accept, just like everyone else, and we certainly do not tolerate ānaziā content, such as calls for violence, racial discrimination, ultra nationalism, etc. You will not find anything that resembles that.
On a human level, I agree with the points you make. I certainly wouldnāt want you to subject yourself to content you donāt like either, and Lemmy has come a long way to give users control over what they see. All Iām pointing out is that HC would welcome anyone under the same rules. We are no more a Republican instance than we are a Democrat one. I canāt control if people agree or disagree with you, but I have no tolerance for personal attacks, for example. You will find that starting a community on HC would really be no different than starting a community somewhere else.
If people legitimately wanted HC to be a different instance, then they would join it and transform through their own content, to the point where it becomes majority. But people do not want that, itās easier and more convenient to point the finger and accuse us of being baddies.
They were nothing like what is happening today in America, not even close.
Trump has been sending Venezuelans to a prison in El Salvador that claims to have āexpandedā in order to hold them all, but satellite imagery just shows them digging a big trench. That feels pretty damn close to me.
I personally cringe at that community too, but they are not breaking our rules.
Yes. Thatās the issue with your instance. That is your decision, and why people tend to shun you and have no interest in making communities there to ātransform through their own content.ā Why would anyone go to the Nazi bar when there are others?
Besides: If I started a community on HC which was devoted to posting your name and home address, talking about you and your daily life, and constantly amping up totally untrue nonsense about you (on a similar truth scale to what can be found on your instance about the people who are being ādeportedā right now, or about sub-Saharan immigrantsā impacts on European countries where they go), I have a hard time believing youād be so committed to free speech. But because, instead of it being you in direct personal danger (even of a pretty mild theoretical āI feel queasy about thisā type), it is merely a bunch of Central and South American migrants in the US in direct personal danger (of an extremely severe and realized type), youāre okay with it. In the name of āfree speech.ā
If you disagree, DM me your name and address, and Iāll start that community and we can see how long youāre in favor of it. I am curious if your uncaring nature towards who might be endangered by this type of āfree speechā applies to you, or just to hundreds and thousands of American Hispanic or Muslim people (soon to progress, I am sure, to the rest of us). Iām completely serious. I promise not to post any personal attacks, calls for violence, or racial discrimination.
I think it is an insult to anyone who has had to endure the horrors of nazi concentration camps, to make that comparison so loosely.
Who said I was making it loosely? I can point you to actual concentration camp survivors who in 2016 were saying that Trumpās way of doing things was eerily similar to Hitlerās. They were pretty qualified about making the comparison, for beyond-obvious reasons, but they said the overall pattern was terrifyingly similar. All his enemies are vermin, not even human, everyone is lying about him, heās going to save the country, we have to be vicious in dealing with all of these traitors who are threatening our way of life. Thereās no other way. Trust me. Everyone else is lying, they lie all the time, Iām telling you the truth. Put me in charge. Iāll fix it and punish the guilty, because theyāre so guilty, you wouldnāt believe, but with me in charge, finally youāll be safe and happy. But Iām going to have to be ruthless to get it done, because theyāre such murderous dangerous elements that nothing else will do. Trust me. Give me power and Iāll get it done. I promise. Trust me. Give me power forever.
And now, we have in addition to ICE detention facilities, a big secretive mega-prison where random innocent people are being sent, and the ruling regime is saying it has every right to do that, to them and to anyone who displeases it for any reason. Including very notably a lot of their political opponents, who are enemies of the state.
Yes, it is 100% a concentration camp system. Itās even, for now, for one designated particular racial grouping almost all of the time. And yes they mean to accelerate putting people in them, and they are building more. There is an extremely important reason why they are resisting any judicial oversight or legal basis for what theyāre doing, and why ICE has started doing this stuff in plain clothes in hurried secretive snatch-and-retreat operations and circumventing and explicitly challenging the usual branches-of-government restrictions on their power.
It is no way an insult to anyone who lived through the camps to say it is happening again. It is giving weight and memory to what they went through, amplifying in some cases their own firsthand words, by doing everything we can to stop it now happening again, before it reaches the same level that the Third Reich was able to scale it up to.
are the Democrats nazis
Pull the fucking other one.
I donāt know, man. Youāve got a right to be clueless about American politics if you want. I have a hard time believing that, at this point, that kind of cluelessness could stem from anything but a deliberate desire to be clueless. Or maybe, you are just lying about what you believe because you know that self-identifying as a Republican isnāt going to work, so you feign ignorance about whatās even going on. That, honestly, seems more plausible to me than that you want to run an instance where US politics is a key defining feature but you āhave no businessā in āthat cesspitā of US politics.
(Is there anyone in the world who is this ignorant about the difference between saying āDemocrats are Nazisā and āmodern Republican regime is Nazisā? I kind of doubt it. What is happening is global news at this stage. Itās not politics anymore, any more than World War 2 was politics.)
I thought about typing up more but I feel like thatās enough. Racial discrimination and ultranationalist propaganda is incredibly easy to find on your instance. Calls for individual violence, I didnāt see, but clear violent behavior like snatching some innocent person from the street and sending them to turbo-prison forever because the ultranationalist leader said to is easy to find. Is this not enough to say?
On a human level, I agree with the points you make. I certainly wouldnāt want you to subject yourself to content you donāt like
I mean, the people in this thread are exercising their free speech to do exactly that: To announce to each other that your instance contains content no one here wants, that alarms them because of its criminality, dishonesty, and connection to real present danger to them. You decided to make it that way. Thatās what happens in a free society sometimes, is that everyone decides someoneās an asshole because of what they hosted and who their colleagues are. Good luck with your strategy.
I hope this doesnāt come across as hostile. Iām just talking, honestly, like you are. Free speech. I donāt really know where youāre coming from, which is why I give you the respect of taking some time to really try to express what I mean about this and why you are getting a negative reaction. I think thereās at least a chance that you actually mean what you say and what your thinking is on this, so Iām just trying to explain in detail why people are going to continue to shun you and yours for as long as you are doing this. Hopefully that makes some sense.
Where on HC have you seen anything that even remotely resembles doxxing? We will ban anyone with impunity for anything of the sort. Where have I said otherwise? I have always pointed out that we have rules around content, and everyone has to agree to them when joining HC. Personal attacks in general are not tolerated, let alone calls to violence or doxxing - thatās an insane take to suggest otherwise.
You are making some very disingenuous correlations.
Iām saying that your content directly endangers the lives of people in the United States. Thatās not at all a ādisingenuousā correlation. It is an illuminating one.
Iām saying you would react differently if it was directly affecting your safety, in the same way that for example āEl Salvador Blocks Sen. Van Hollenās Visit with Deported Illegal Alienā directly endangers Garciaās safety by deliberately misleading people about his legal status (such that a lot of the US really canāt tell up from down on that issue as well as many others, which will mute the effort to try to get him back before some really bad things happen to him if they have not already).
This kind of lying on the internet and in the press used to just be for fun and profit, but now itās really gotten developed to weapons-grade and become deadly serious. Thatās why people react so negatively when you host it. Iām not saying at all that anyone should host anything that endangers you personally. We should all be safe. Iām saying that your alarmed reaction at the idea of being doxxed should also apply to the idea of published professionally-crafted excuses for armed thugs wandering the streets of the US snatching people up and doing whatever they want with them.
Sure. Up to you. Iām just taking some time to try to explain why I think people have such a negative reaction to your instance, if youāre interested to hear it.
Buddy if you canāt click a link and read a simple definition, I donāt know what to tell you. I didnāt say you have specific nazi content, I said you are suffering from the nazi bar problem.
How fucking thick are you? Iām pasting the definition so you donāt even have an excuse:
Nazi Bar
A space in which bigots or extremists have come to dominate due to a lack of moderation or by moderators wishing to remain neutral or avoid conflict.
Since you lack any reading comprehension skills, let me reiterate: The only people actually interested in engaging in a community without so-called āheavy handed ideological moderationā (your own words) are the ones that have already been kicked out of every other civil space for spewing hate. You are inherently inviting them in through the moderation posture you have adopted.
Can you point to which content you believe is nazi?
I went on there for about 30 seconds and found a āThe Donaldā successor with UniversalMonk posting a little stream of total fantasy about how good the tariffs are and how Trump is going to save us.
I think now that the literal concentration camps are up and running, and people are going into them, itās time to say that the modern Republican regime is todayās Nazi Party.
Iām actually fine with talking with a Republican online or in person, maybe Iām in the minority here in that. But weāve all learned from experience that, at least in its current anonymous-online-forum behavior, that openly pro-Nazi contingent is never just looking to have a conversation and be reasonable about expressing what they honestly believe because they think itās helping the country as a whole, and come to understanding. Theyāre always going to start threatening people over DMs after a while. Theyāre always going to post a steady stream of total fantasy, which they donāt actually believe or try to defend, just to try to manipulate the landscape by having it exist as a little offensive torrent which helps them in their work. Theyāre always going to manipulate the narrative and censor opposing speech in spaces they control. āFree speechā is always going to turn out to be a fiction once itās speech they donāt agree with. Because that is their ideology: That itās okay to cheat as long as youāre on their team, and the other team doesnāt deserve any type of human rights.
āFree speechā doesnāt mean one moderator can run their forum however they want. It doesnāt mean we have to listen to one person forever, however much they want to say, but they donāt have to listen to us if they donāt want to. It doesnāt work the way youāre saying it does. Itās a philosophy of freedom of ideas. Itās a shared social contract that comes with obligations, not just grants of what youāre allowed to do. Itās the idea that you may not agree with someone, but you need to hear them out and then engage honestly with what theyāre saying. That we need to live together and protect the weakest or āwrongestā among us. That being a society as free humans with our inalienable rights is more important than our team winning. Itās not a set of code that provides everyone write access to the space, or a total-openness-of-moderation policy. It is a commitment to the idea that if we talk honestly with each other and respect each other, even if we donāt agree about something, weāll be able to work it out, because even someone who you think is wrong as hell might have a point. The crucial piece youāre missing is that it has to cut both ways. Someone whoās claiming the shield, has to be also willing to provide the same shield to others in the space, and otherwise it is completely fair not to welcome them. Thatās why every public servant has to swear an oath to the constitution. The oath is not āNow that Iām in charge I solemnly swear to do whatever the fuck I want, until someone else gets in charge and they can do the same to me.ā
If someoneās not on board for it cutting both ways, but theyāre hijacking some kind of open tool or democratic public space to make a pretense that they do so they can advance their agenda of killing or imprisoning their enemies and shutting down democracy in a place it used to exist, most reasonable people will tell them to get the fuck out. Thatās not censorship. Itās self-defense. Itās the same as ejecting from a public meeting someone who blows hard on a whistle every time their opponents try to speak, passes them notes that they might be killed or their house burned down if they keep talking, and then stands up with a quavering voice and swears their commitment to open society and freedom, and says they canāt understand all these people who are aiming such hateful behavior at them because they said they were a bad person. I can easily find examples of all of that on your instance, I can be specific if you want me to. Do you want me to?
Iām not trying to bully you or your instance or anything personal towards you. But you guys have suffered reputational harm at this point because youāve welcomed people who are actively trying to do harm to the rest of us. Not just harm but literal death and literal imprisonment. A lot of us, I assume, are thinking about fleeing the country, getting weapons to defend ourselves. A lot of us are real fucking worried about friends and family. Weāre wondering what the fuck we even do now. Weāre within our rights to want nothing more to do with you, if you welcome the viewpoint that all of that is okay. Or, not even that: If you welcome people who are okay lying about their own viewpoint and manipulating the space to try to advance that work and make it more effective.
Like I say: There is a genuine viewpoint thatās adjacent to what youāre saying that I agree with. I donāt think most of the Republican rank-and-file is our enemy (even if we might wind up in a war with them soon, depending). I donāt think shutting out particular honest political viewpoints is the way. I think we have to be able to talk to each other to even be able to begin to approach and heal from this fucking chasm in our society. It goes deeper than just the current Republican regime. But, like I say, once we get back down the rank-and-file level of individual people:
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Thank you. Not that it did a damn bit of good. Dude seems like heās stuck on all output no input. Like I said, I really tried.
It was a very clear, very coherent, passionate and informative explanation of why some important things are important. Thank you for taking the time to write it. Lots more people will read it than respond to it. People like you make lemmy a better place.
He is definitely a Trump fanboy, I really donāt care about Trump that much - itās OK to see things differently. I personally cringe at that community too, but they are not breaking our rules. My personal views have nothing to do with it.
I think it is an insult to anyone who has had to endure the horrors of nazi concentration camps, to make that comparison so loosely. They were nothing like what is happening today in America, not even close.
Iām not going to dive into actual US politics (are Republicans nazis, are the Democrats nazis, etc) since Iām not even American and thatās a cesspit I have no business in. Depending on who you talk to, someone else is always the nazi. What I can say is that our instance has clear rules on the type of content we accept, just like everyone else, and we certainly do not tolerate ānaziā content, such as calls for violence, racial discrimination, ultra nationalism, etc. You will not find anything that resembles that.
On a human level, I agree with the points you make. I certainly wouldnāt want you to subject yourself to content you donāt like either, and Lemmy has come a long way to give users control over what they see. All Iām pointing out is that HC would welcome anyone under the same rules. We are no more a Republican instance than we are a Democrat one. I canāt control if people agree or disagree with you, but I have no tolerance for personal attacks, for example. You will find that starting a community on HC would really be no different than starting a community somewhere else.
If people legitimately wanted HC to be a different instance, then they would join it and transform through their own content, to the point where it becomes majority. But people do not want that, itās easier and more convenient to point the finger and accuse us of being baddies.
Trump has been sending Venezuelans to a prison in El Salvador that claims to have āexpandedā in order to hold them all, but satellite imagery just shows them digging a big trench. That feels pretty damn close to me.
Yes. Thatās the issue with your instance. That is your decision, and why people tend to shun you and have no interest in making communities there to ātransform through their own content.ā Why would anyone go to the Nazi bar when there are others?
Besides: If I started a community on HC which was devoted to posting your name and home address, talking about you and your daily life, and constantly amping up totally untrue nonsense about you (on a similar truth scale to what can be found on your instance about the people who are being ādeportedā right now, or about sub-Saharan immigrantsā impacts on European countries where they go), I have a hard time believing youād be so committed to free speech. But because, instead of it being you in direct personal danger (even of a pretty mild theoretical āI feel queasy about thisā type), it is merely a bunch of Central and South American migrants in the US in direct personal danger (of an extremely severe and realized type), youāre okay with it. In the name of āfree speech.ā
If you disagree, DM me your name and address, and Iāll start that community and we can see how long youāre in favor of it. I am curious if your uncaring nature towards who might be endangered by this type of āfree speechā applies to you, or just to hundreds and thousands of American Hispanic or Muslim people (soon to progress, I am sure, to the rest of us). Iām completely serious. I promise not to post any personal attacks, calls for violence, or racial discrimination.
Who said I was making it loosely? I can point you to actual concentration camp survivors who in 2016 were saying that Trumpās way of doing things was eerily similar to Hitlerās. They were pretty qualified about making the comparison, for beyond-obvious reasons, but they said the overall pattern was terrifyingly similar. All his enemies are vermin, not even human, everyone is lying about him, heās going to save the country, we have to be vicious in dealing with all of these traitors who are threatening our way of life. Thereās no other way. Trust me. Everyone else is lying, they lie all the time, Iām telling you the truth. Put me in charge. Iāll fix it and punish the guilty, because theyāre so guilty, you wouldnāt believe, but with me in charge, finally youāll be safe and happy. But Iām going to have to be ruthless to get it done, because theyāre such murderous dangerous elements that nothing else will do. Trust me. Give me power and Iāll get it done. I promise. Trust me. Give me power forever.
And now, we have in addition to ICE detention facilities, a big secretive mega-prison where random innocent people are being sent, and the ruling regime is saying it has every right to do that, to them and to anyone who displeases it for any reason. Including very notably a lot of their political opponents, who are enemies of the state.
Yes, it is 100% a concentration camp system. Itās even, for now, for one designated particular racial grouping almost all of the time. And yes they mean to accelerate putting people in them, and they are building more. There is an extremely important reason why they are resisting any judicial oversight or legal basis for what theyāre doing, and why ICE has started doing this stuff in plain clothes in hurried secretive snatch-and-retreat operations and circumventing and explicitly challenging the usual branches-of-government restrictions on their power.
It is no way an insult to anyone who lived through the camps to say it is happening again. It is giving weight and memory to what they went through, amplifying in some cases their own firsthand words, by doing everything we can to stop it now happening again, before it reaches the same level that the Third Reich was able to scale it up to.
Pull the fucking other one.
I donāt know, man. Youāve got a right to be clueless about American politics if you want. I have a hard time believing that, at this point, that kind of cluelessness could stem from anything but a deliberate desire to be clueless. Or maybe, you are just lying about what you believe because you know that self-identifying as a Republican isnāt going to work, so you feign ignorance about whatās even going on. That, honestly, seems more plausible to me than that you want to run an instance where US politics is a key defining feature but you āhave no businessā in āthat cesspitā of US politics.
(Is there anyone in the world who is this ignorant about the difference between saying āDemocrats are Nazisā and āmodern Republican regime is Nazisā? I kind of doubt it. What is happening is global news at this stage. Itās not politics anymore, any more than World War 2 was politics.)
I thought about typing up more but I feel like thatās enough. Racial discrimination and ultranationalist propaganda is incredibly easy to find on your instance. Calls for individual violence, I didnāt see, but clear violent behavior like snatching some innocent person from the street and sending them to turbo-prison forever because the ultranationalist leader said to is easy to find. Is this not enough to say?
I mean, the people in this thread are exercising their free speech to do exactly that: To announce to each other that your instance contains content no one here wants, that alarms them because of its criminality, dishonesty, and connection to real present danger to them. You decided to make it that way. Thatās what happens in a free society sometimes, is that everyone decides someoneās an asshole because of what they hosted and who their colleagues are. Good luck with your strategy.
I hope this doesnāt come across as hostile. Iām just talking, honestly, like you are. Free speech. I donāt really know where youāre coming from, which is why I give you the respect of taking some time to really try to express what I mean about this and why you are getting a negative reaction. I think thereās at least a chance that you actually mean what you say and what your thinking is on this, so Iām just trying to explain in detail why people are going to continue to shun you and yours for as long as you are doing this. Hopefully that makes some sense.
Where on HC have you seen anything that even remotely resembles doxxing? We will ban anyone with impunity for anything of the sort. Where have I said otherwise? I have always pointed out that we have rules around content, and everyone has to agree to them when joining HC. Personal attacks in general are not tolerated, let alone calls to violence or doxxing - thatās an insane take to suggest otherwise.
You are making some very disingenuous correlations.
Iām saying that your content directly endangers the lives of people in the United States. Thatās not at all a ādisingenuousā correlation. It is an illuminating one.
Iām saying you would react differently if it was directly affecting your safety, in the same way that for example āEl Salvador Blocks Sen. Van Hollenās Visit with Deported Illegal Alienā directly endangers Garciaās safety by deliberately misleading people about his legal status (such that a lot of the US really canāt tell up from down on that issue as well as many others, which will mute the effort to try to get him back before some really bad things happen to him if they have not already).
This kind of lying on the internet and in the press used to just be for fun and profit, but now itās really gotten developed to weapons-grade and become deadly serious. Thatās why people react so negatively when you host it. Iām not saying at all that anyone should host anything that endangers you personally. We should all be safe. Iām saying that your alarmed reaction at the idea of being doxxed should also apply to the idea of published professionally-crafted excuses for armed thugs wandering the streets of the US snatching people up and doing whatever they want with them.
I think this is a good example of something we will have to agree to disagree on.
Sure. Up to you. Iām just taking some time to try to explain why I think people have such a negative reaction to your instance, if youāre interested to hear it.
Buddy if you canāt click a link and read a simple definition, I donāt know what to tell you. I didnāt say you have specific nazi content, I said you are suffering from the nazi bar problem.
Youāre saying itās a ānazi barā, so surely there would be nazi content everywhere that would prove your accusation.
Iām saying itās not a nazi anything. Can you point to the content that makes you think otherwise?
How fucking thick are you? Iām pasting the definition so you donāt even have an excuse:
Since you lack any reading comprehension skills, let me reiterate: The only people actually interested in engaging in a community without so-called āheavy handed ideological moderationā (your own words) are the ones that have already been kicked out of every other civil space for spewing hate. You are inherently inviting them in through the moderation posture you have adopted.
Iām not going to lower myself to respond to your personal insults in kind.
You accuse our instance of being ānazisā but yet canāt point to any example of nazi content. Accusations without proof are meaningless.
I wouldnāt worry about lowering yourself, a sealion is already on the ground after all.
Iāve never been called a sealion before.
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