Really? From what I’ve gathered SMC is the old guard democratic loyalists and B&R are (at-worst) labor aristocrats. I got the vibe that they’re more loyal to their unions and are ensuring that DSA serves union interests more than anything else.
I’m mostly judging from their website though which otherwise seemed center of the road. Communist Caucus and Red Star impressed me the most of the caucus websites I audited.
B&R are definitely labor aristocrats but, in my experience, are also gatekeepers and redirect a lot of young revolutionary energy into pointless committees and discussions and proposals, and so on, until it just gets murdered in bureaucracy. And the ones I know talk a big game about unions but when it comes time to actually holding solidarity with them they basically tell the unions to go fuck themselves because they’re doing their own thing. It’s not a sexy tale of political intrigue. But it sounds and felt to me like how feds try to prevent an increasingly radicalizing segment of the population from thinking that socialist parties or socialism in general are worth pursuing.
Whether they are feds or just assholes doesn’t even matter, the effect is the same. They push everyone out in their attempt to hold onto power and then the people who leave are bitter about organizing or socialism in general. It’s really sad actually.
I was already radicalized and organizing before most of those idiots so it didn’t jade me generally but it hits people trying to get organized for the first time very differently. And I think that’s the point.
pointless committees and discussions and proposals, and so on, until it just gets murdered in bureaucracy
This honestly sounds like the white collar idea of organizing which, without theory, is defaulting to your own workplace. I kind of struggle with that as a developer but at least kanban boards prioritize doing actual work.
Same. Frankly, I still firmly believe that this subgroup is infiltrated.
Socialist Majority Caucus is the remnants of the pre 2017 guard. Its likely they have feds but its also true that they are just libs.
I was actually thinking of Bread and Roses when I said that.
But I guess it could be said of both.
Really? From what I’ve gathered SMC is the old guard democratic loyalists and B&R are (at-worst) labor aristocrats. I got the vibe that they’re more loyal to their unions and are ensuring that DSA serves union interests more than anything else.
I’m mostly judging from their website though which otherwise seemed center of the road. Communist Caucus and Red Star impressed me the most of the caucus websites I audited.
B&R are definitely labor aristocrats but, in my experience, are also gatekeepers and redirect a lot of young revolutionary energy into pointless committees and discussions and proposals, and so on, until it just gets murdered in bureaucracy. And the ones I know talk a big game about unions but when it comes time to actually holding solidarity with them they basically tell the unions to go fuck themselves because they’re doing their own thing. It’s not a sexy tale of political intrigue. But it sounds and felt to me like how feds try to prevent an increasingly radicalizing segment of the population from thinking that socialist parties or socialism in general are worth pursuing.
Whether they are feds or just assholes doesn’t even matter, the effect is the same. They push everyone out in their attempt to hold onto power and then the people who leave are bitter about organizing or socialism in general. It’s really sad actually.
I was already radicalized and organizing before most of those idiots so it didn’t jade me generally but it hits people trying to get organized for the first time very differently. And I think that’s the point.
This honestly sounds like the white collar idea of organizing which, without theory, is defaulting to your own workplace. I kind of struggle with that as a developer but at least kanban boards prioritize doing actual work.