How is it anti-socialist slander to make fun of the section of DSA that doesn’t want to break with the Democratic Party?
Anyway, I’m happy to hear national DSA is finally moving away from the Dems but, in my years of interacting with DSA, most people I met were libs like Brayden. Most joined or got started with ‘radical politics’ through the Democratic Party via Bernie. I wouldn’t blame anyone for thinking the same, maybe this has changed within DSA since Kamala’s abysmal failure and recognizing that Bernie will never win and if he did he would just be a Zionist ghoul anyway. Of course, there were always some Communists and anarchists in the DSA but they didn’t have institutional power. So, if DSA is changing, that’s great but given its history I don’t think it’s slander to assume that DSA is still precisely what it was not that long ago.
How is it anti-socialist slander to make fun of the section of DSA that doesn’t want to break with the Democratic Party?
Because your referring to that minority as though they are in control when they’re complaining about not being in control. You can make fun of SMC all you want.
The Braydens were very real pre 2020 but since Biden and Gaza they’ve been replaced by mostly anarchists and labor. Bread & Roses is the largest caucus iirc and they are labor™
With all due respect, Comrade, and I genuinely wish you and DSA success in everything, but the B&R people I met have been some of the absolute worst people I’ve encountered in organizations. That makes me feel even more skeptical. I hope I’m wrong and the types are completely different now. Could also just be the branches I’ve worked with.
@anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2nding that B&R sucks, every member of my ydsa chapter (which i will admit were either all ML or sympathetic to ML ideas) who went to the YDSA conventions while i was a part of the org said that B&R was by far the worst caucus, and if they suck in YDSA which might as well be the 2nd coming of the bolsheviks when compared to DSA i shudder to imagine what they’re like in national.
Please, you are the one supporting a sectarian and anti-Cuba organization that is pro-genocide party by endorsing Bernie Sanders for president. I’m not the one that’s supporting a fascist party
Please keep up to date. The anti-cuba and Zionists were muscled out years ago. And you’re still under some delusion that we’re still endorsing Bernie Sanders for president when he’s not even running. National didn’t even endorse AOC over her lack of support for Palestine. Palestine was the focal point for forcing out the social democrats before Oct-7. Again do you’re research.
The worst was SAlt who - in their announcement that they were attempting entryism to the DSA - said we had a “ban on Marxists” which wasn’t enforced. The fucking gall to say you’re coming at us in good faith and then not even bother to read our by-laws was absolutely elevating.
It’s trot to make fun of the DSA now?
Slandering other socialists orgs when they are explicitly doing the thing you’re calling on them to do is 100% trot behavior.
How is it anti-socialist slander to make fun of the section of DSA that doesn’t want to break with the Democratic Party?
Anyway, I’m happy to hear national DSA is finally moving away from the Dems but, in my years of interacting with DSA, most people I met were libs like Brayden. Most joined or got started with ‘radical politics’ through the Democratic Party via Bernie. I wouldn’t blame anyone for thinking the same, maybe this has changed within DSA since Kamala’s abysmal failure and recognizing that Bernie will never win and if he did he would just be a Zionist ghoul anyway. Of course, there were always some Communists and anarchists in the DSA but they didn’t have institutional power. So, if DSA is changing, that’s great but given its history I don’t think it’s slander to assume that DSA is still precisely what it was not that long ago.
Because your referring to that minority as though they are in control when they’re complaining about not being in control. You can make fun of SMC all you want.
The Braydens were very real pre 2020 but since Biden and Gaza they’ve been replaced by mostly anarchists and labor. Bread & Roses is the largest caucus iirc and they are labor™
With all due respect, Comrade, and I genuinely wish you and DSA success in everything, but the B&R people I met have been some of the absolute worst people I’ve encountered in organizations. That makes me feel even more skeptical. I hope I’m wrong and the types are completely different now. Could also just be the branches I’ve worked with.
Idk about B&R particularly. I just lurk the national forums. I’ve never gone to a convention or anything.
@anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2nding that B&R sucks, every member of my ydsa chapter (which i will admit were either all ML or sympathetic to ML ideas) who went to the YDSA conventions while i was a part of the org said that B&R was by far the worst caucus, and if they suck in YDSA which might as well be the 2nd coming of the bolsheviks when compared to DSA i shudder to imagine what they’re like in national.
I must ask you to please be more specific in your criticism. They suck how exactly?
I’ve never been to convention and don’t engage with caucuses directly. To me anyone who explicitly engages in a caucus must be a sicko of some sort.
Socialist orgs don’t tend to oppose socialism…
Is that line of reasoning that leads to support for the DSA?
Please be serious and constructive and not engage in meaningless sectarianism. Otherwise, No research no right to speak!
Please, you are the one supporting a sectarian and anti-Cuba organization that is pro-genocide party by endorsing Bernie Sanders for president. I’m not the one that’s supporting a fascist party
Please keep up to date. The anti-cuba and Zionists were muscled out years ago. And you’re still under some delusion that we’re still endorsing Bernie Sanders for president when he’s not even running. National didn’t even endorse AOC over her lack of support for Palestine. Palestine was the focal point for forcing out the social democrats before Oct-7. Again do you’re research.
The trots at WSWS do this regularly, when they’re not calling other socialists Stalinists or defending Harvey Weinstein.
The worst was SAlt who - in their announcement that they were attempting entryism to the DSA - said we had a “ban on Marxists” which wasn’t enforced. The fucking gall to say you’re coming at us in good faith and then not even bother to read our by-laws was absolutely elevating.