That didn’t address the point I was making, all AI is ultimately about generating outputs, so I am not sure where your line of “generative AI” actually begins and ends. The term is absolutely 100% meaningless if I have zero idea what even qualifies as “generative AI” and what doesn’t, because then you aren’t telling me anything, I don’t know what you’re saying you like and what you don’t like, and different people would probably have different ideas over what even counts as “generative AI.” I am saying the term is too ambiguous for me to even know what is being talked about and your response is “well it’s just a lot of things and dontcha know in the English language we use terms for a lot of things all the time.” Like… what??? How is that a response. An appropriate response to what I said would be to actually tell me something more concrete I could use to judge whether or not something counts as “generative AI” vs not.
From my standpoint it really seems like “generative AI” is just a stand-in for “AI I don’t like.” People use it and arbitrarily lump in things they consider “slop factories” like image generators or ChatGPT, but when you point out plenty of other AI actually do have very practical usages in the science, some even also being LLMs or based on diffusion technologies, they will say “erm well I just dislike generative AI” even though again the technology is fundamentally the same and they are both generating content. The caveat is not really any more meaningful than just a placeholder for AI people think is bad.
Generative AI is colloquially used to refer to AI which you prompt in natural language to produce some stuff for you. If you prompt some AI to make music or protein sequences for you then that is generative AI too. It is a loose term and not something that AI scholars agree upon but it is not meaningless.
Generative AI is colloquially used to refer to AI which you prompt in natural language to produce some stuff for you. If you prompt some AI to make music or protein sequences for you then that is generative AI too. It is a loose term and not something that AI scholars agree upon but it is not meaningless.
Again, you only proved my point as you gave me a definition that applies to things like OCR, translation software, and voice recognition, which people wouldn’t colloquially categorize as generative AI. You cannot provide a definition that gives the kind of carve-out you want because it doesn’t exist, and any attempt to do so only solidifies my point further. The carve-out is ultimately arbitrary, it is just an arbitrary list of AI people don’t like.
Because you use a prompt in natural language to produce some stuff for you…? In this case a translation. There are already entire companies who sell entire books translated using AI and there’s a lot of them on Amazon. If “generative AI” were to refer to anything at all it seems strange you want it to exclude entire books generated by AI.
If you want to be strict about natural language actually being complete and grammatically correct sentences like we’re talking here, then translation software is generative AI but some AI image generators like Stable Diffusion are not since they rely on you using a list of positive and negative tags and not sentences that you would speak. It would also mean that if I build an AI to send commands to a robot based on voice commands that would qualify as generative AI as well since it is producing the command output for me based on speech.
That didn’t address the point I was making, all AI is ultimately about generating outputs, so I am not sure where your line of “generative AI” actually begins and ends. The term is absolutely 100% meaningless if I have zero idea what even qualifies as “generative AI” and what doesn’t, because then you aren’t telling me anything, I don’t know what you’re saying you like and what you don’t like, and different people would probably have different ideas over what even counts as “generative AI.” I am saying the term is too ambiguous for me to even know what is being talked about and your response is “well it’s just a lot of things and dontcha know in the English language we use terms for a lot of things all the time.” Like… what??? How is that a response. An appropriate response to what I said would be to actually tell me something more concrete I could use to judge whether or not something counts as “generative AI” vs not.
From my standpoint it really seems like “generative AI” is just a stand-in for “AI I don’t like.” People use it and arbitrarily lump in things they consider “slop factories” like image generators or ChatGPT, but when you point out plenty of other AI actually do have very practical usages in the science, some even also being LLMs or based on diffusion technologies, they will say “erm well I just dislike generative AI” even though again the technology is fundamentally the same and they are both generating content. The caveat is not really any more meaningful than just a placeholder for AI people think is bad.
Generative AI is colloquially used to refer to AI which you prompt in natural language to produce some stuff for you. If you prompt some AI to make music or protein sequences for you then that is generative AI too. It is a loose term and not something that AI scholars agree upon but it is not meaningless.
Again, you only proved my point as you gave me a definition that applies to things like OCR, translation software, and voice recognition, which people wouldn’t colloquially categorize as generative AI. You cannot provide a definition that gives the kind of carve-out you want because it doesn’t exist, and any attempt to do so only solidifies my point further. The carve-out is ultimately arbitrary, it is just an arbitrary list of AI people don’t like.
How does translation fit this definition?
Because you use a prompt in natural language to produce some stuff for you…? In this case a translation. There are already entire companies who sell entire books translated using AI and there’s a lot of them on Amazon. If “generative AI” were to refer to anything at all it seems strange you want it to exclude entire books generated by AI.
If you want to be strict about natural language actually being complete and grammatically correct sentences like we’re talking here, then translation software is generative AI but some AI image generators like Stable Diffusion are not since they rely on you using a list of positive and negative tags and not sentences that you would speak. It would also mean that if I build an AI to send commands to a robot based on voice commands that would qualify as generative AI as well since it is producing the command output for me based on speech.
ML driven translation existed well before ChatGPT did like Google Translate and DeepL
Yes. You’re beginning to understand. I’m glad.
Got no clue what you are trying to say