There is a difference between seeing and being influenced by a work and consuming it and regurgitating the pieces for commercial benefit. Also humans can consciously choose a set of influences or a particular style to work in, excluding the others, as they see fit. Influence is not replication; if you as a human are replicating copyrighted works then that’s a different matter.
Seeing how fast the planet is burning is not particularly helpful in putting out the fire, so such comparison mitigates none of the harm caused by crypto mining. It was mined (after the early-adopter idealist phase anyway) pretty much exclusively for the purpose of financial speculation. Either way, whether AI consumes more or less, it is consuming for often questionable benefit to its users and significant benefit to its corporate owners. Also you can ‘self-host’ crypto mining too, just not very effectively.
I have only recently learned about this possibility, but I can’t imagine it’s anywhere near as effective as one hosted on OpenAI’s servers or w/e.
There is, but that distinction also applies to AI creations, you can clearly see (or maybe you haven’t yet?) it’s not simply regurgitating, it can fundamentally transform its dataset with what it outputs. Just like humans, we can just straight copy someone else and claim it as our own but that’s obviously just copying right? I don’t understand why AntiAI people can’t see the difference.
Yeah, I hate the direction crypto has gone, been following BTC since 2011 and the intent has been distorted beyond recognition. I’m not sure of the landscape these days for mining, but it absolutely was a majority individuals rather then corporations, it was literally all self host. Even ASICs are still intended to be ran at home, people aren’t paying other people to mine for them.
Look into it further, while yes gigantic megacorp server farms are obviously going to be generally better performance wise, that’s not really an argument against self host open source alternatives for things that do not require that amount of processing power. Plus there’s a lot of potential use cases for smaller localLLMs running directly on relatively low power devices (like our smartphones)
I mean… I suppose that’s fair. I have not messed a ton with AI image generation, I’ve just tinkered a bit here and there, but I’ve seen some interesting stuff. The thing is though, and I realize we’re getting a bit into the weeds here, but I don’t think AI art is art because it lacks intentionality. Art, whether visual or otherwise, is fundamentally about communication. It’s about trying to evoke something in the viewer and making some kind of connection with them on the emotional level. AI isn’t trying to convey or evoke anything, so I don’t believe that it’s art, but I’m not saying there are no good arguments to the contrary or anything.
Honestly while crypto might’ve started out as a noble idea it was not a great solution to the problem it presented, and the technology has since been a solution in search of a problem. Meanwhile the crypto itself pretty quickly fell to rampant speculation and has effectively turned into a giant pump-and-dump. People aren’t paying other people to mine for them, what they’re doing is buying huge power- and water-hungry data centers to mine crypto for them. I live in Texas and we have several big ones here (in a mostly dry hot state with frequent power and water shortages in the summers, so that was a brilliant decision, lol, but I guess power is cheap here), so we’re long past the days where an individual could accomplish much of anything in that arena.
Someone posted a reply about AI Horde which I’ve been looking into, it’s pretty interesting. Also I’m looking at maybe trying to self-host something like ChatGPT (I’ve been working on a writing project and it’s been invaluable to help me brainstorm, work out structure, etc, so I don’t want to lose access when it gets enshittified) but I’m still very much at the ‘seeing what my options are’ stage.
There is, but that distinction also applies to AI creations, you can clearly see (or maybe you haven’t yet?) it’s not simply regurgitating, it can fundamentally transform its dataset with what it outputs. Just like humans, we can just straight copy someone else and claim it as our own but that’s obviously just copying right? I don’t understand why AntiAI people can’t see the difference.
Yeah, I hate the direction crypto has gone, been following BTC since 2011 and the intent has been distorted beyond recognition. I’m not sure of the landscape these days for mining, but it absolutely was a majority individuals rather then corporations, it was literally all self host. Even ASICs are still intended to be ran at home, people aren’t paying other people to mine for them.
Look into it further, while yes gigantic megacorp server farms are obviously going to be generally better performance wise, that’s not really an argument against self host open source alternatives for things that do not require that amount of processing power. Plus there’s a lot of potential use cases for smaller localLLMs running directly on relatively low power devices (like our smartphones)
I mean… I suppose that’s fair. I have not messed a ton with AI image generation, I’ve just tinkered a bit here and there, but I’ve seen some interesting stuff. The thing is though, and I realize we’re getting a bit into the weeds here, but I don’t think AI art is art because it lacks intentionality. Art, whether visual or otherwise, is fundamentally about communication. It’s about trying to evoke something in the viewer and making some kind of connection with them on the emotional level. AI isn’t trying to convey or evoke anything, so I don’t believe that it’s art, but I’m not saying there are no good arguments to the contrary or anything.
Honestly while crypto might’ve started out as a noble idea it was not a great solution to the problem it presented, and the technology has since been a solution in search of a problem. Meanwhile the crypto itself pretty quickly fell to rampant speculation and has effectively turned into a giant pump-and-dump. People aren’t paying other people to mine for them, what they’re doing is buying huge power- and water-hungry data centers to mine crypto for them. I live in Texas and we have several big ones here (in a mostly dry hot state with frequent power and water shortages in the summers, so that was a brilliant decision, lol, but I guess power is cheap here), so we’re long past the days where an individual could accomplish much of anything in that arena.
Someone posted a reply about AI Horde which I’ve been looking into, it’s pretty interesting. Also I’m looking at maybe trying to self-host something like ChatGPT (I’ve been working on a writing project and it’s been invaluable to help me brainstorm, work out structure, etc, so I don’t want to lose access when it gets enshittified) but I’m still very much at the ‘seeing what my options are’ stage.