Victor Perez, 17, who also had cerebral palsy, had been in a coma since the April 5 shooting, and tests Friday showed that he had no brain activity, his aunt, Ana Vazquez, told The Associated Press. He had undergone several surgeries, with doctors removing nine bullets and amputating his leg.
The shooting outraged Perez’s family and Pocatello residents, and about 200 people attended a vigil Saturday morning outside the Pocatello hospital where he was treated. Another crowd of protesters gathered outside the Pocatello City Hall building, which also houses the police department, on Saturday afternoon. Police snipers were stationed on a nearby rooftop during the protest, though no violence was reported. Many of the protesters held signs with phrases like, “Do better, PPD” and “Justice for Victor,” and passing cars honked in acknowledgment.
ACAB is a slogan. It’s not factual in the strictest sense but it captures a truth. Statistically speaking, there is at least one good cop. Maybe even two. Real Andy Griffith, Carlton Lassiter types. Their existence does not change the fact that the system is rotten to the very core, and their tacit support for that system makes them bastards, even if they themselves have never abused anyone or covered for a colleague’s malpractice. Good cops exist, but they don’t last very long.
And as the sibling comment pointed out, institutionally speaking the RCMP is a god awful example if you’re trying to make a case for good cops.
The “good” cops that you are talking about are just the ones that don’t actively molest, rape, and murder people… but still turn a blind eye and give stalwart defense to those that do.
Actual, legitimate good cops don’t stay cops for very long before being run out or their deaths arranged (Just look at Frank Serpico. who still gets death threats and harassment to this day). because actual good cops don’t turn a blind eye to the violence or corruption.
And a cop that shakes my hand and treats me with respect, but will ignore and lie to defend his partners beating me and shooting me for no reason, is not in any way a good cop.
Then give me evidence that the cops I’ve met would ignore and lie to defend corrupt cops, and I’ll budge further. Otherwise, you can’t force someone to agree with you, as much as I hate that.
Are the cops you know actively marching in the streets in the name of justice and demanding police reform from their unions and leaders? Are they actively and consistently doing this, actively working to dismantle corruption and systemic problems with policing, every day?
Because if not, that’s how we know.
Cops can’t do so except in plainclothes, it’s illegal for government employees to protest in uniform because it presents a conflict of interest if a government agency or department (or here, instead of departments, ministries).
Also, do you have any idea how much corruption in police forces can be solved just by disallowing investigation from within? Every corrupt cop hates when they can’t commit a crime and get away with it because every cop in the country is subject to 3rd party review. I don’t know for sure if we use that here, but I’ve asked cops what they think of the kinds of situations pointed out in counterarguments, and they admit it’s not a perfect system and that there’s only so much one person can do so it is unlikely to be solved.
According to your logic, policing is unacceptable. If you’re discriminated against, the US has a long history of criminalizing minorities at every level of the judicial system, yes. That doesn’t mean cops are unhindered in corruption here. Judges here prefer rehabilitation, or if the person committed a crime like assault or murder then they actually consider “is this person sane” a valid question.
There is discrimination in Canada against natives. In my experience, I’ve personally seen my dad’s Salish friend be kicked out of our house by City Hall. By a bylaw officer.
You think I did nothing? Oh no. I immediately walked to City Hall and fucking told them “I am filing a restraining order against your bylaw officer”. Grand Forks was too small to have another bylaw officer, and the one that they had was part of their inner circle, that effectively meant they could not administrate my family, which meant we were able to fight back against City Hall as if City Hall didn’t have a say.
We never saw them discriminate against my dad’s friend ever again. Beat that, you goddamn hypocrite.
Exactly.
Nobody is. If you’re going to call the kettle black, fucking admit you’re the pot. Nobody is doing anything about your fucking situation because nobody can.
You know that, right? Trump didn’t get elected. He stole it, and the reason nobody stopped him is because you let capitalism get to a point that the supposed result that he won seemed plausible. And Russian interference is probably what got him in, because bomb threats to voting stations? Record voting turnout, but lowest participation in recent years? Someone must have taken and destroyed a lot of votes…
But by the time that was known, Trump had already taken office.
You know Germany was a democracy before Hitler took power, not just after, right? Plus, even then they tricked people into supporting them because nobody yet knew the word “Holocaust”.
Nobody supports Trump except a few rich assholes betting the farm on his monstrosity. This problem was inevitable the moment WWII ended, because capitalism without regulation grows like cancer. By now, it doesn’t matter what anyone wants unless you have the money to buy the entire industry behind it.
Nice topic shift bro. Totally not obvious
You can refer to the post where I explain that I filed a restraining order (well, threatened to) against the city’s only bylaw officer and it actually prevented them from harassing a homeless Native Canadian friend who we wanted to give shelter to. Fuck you, hypocrite.
Sure buddy.
Well, no. There are no good cops because they work within and prop up a broken and corrupt system. How many cops are you seeing stopping the vanishing of civilians and tourists, for example? If you were to step in and try to stop it yourself, how many cops would be by your side, defending you?
It works because these heinous ideas are boiled down into simple orders, and people follow orders. There were well-meaning people within the nazi party as well. I’m sure there were even well-meaning people in the concentration camps, leading people to their deaths, but they weren’t good.
That’s why all cops are bastards.
By that logic, you’re a bastard for thinking democracy is a good system because the US isn’t a good example of a democracy and you live in the US. By that logic, you have to defy all orders instead of question them (because you either obey or defy at all times), which is anarchistic at best. By that logic, capitalism is a good thing because it makes innovation profitable and thus desirable by penalizing stagnancy, which is patently false.
Poor people don’t choose to live in a society where they have no value, why would a good cop be able to choose to be in a society where all cops are perfect? Why would anyone be able to choose to be in a society where they suffer?
This isn’t a policing issue, it’s a cultural issue. This is what anarchocapitalism looks like, the inevitable result of a society brainwashed into thinking socialism and communism are the same thing.
I’ll give you a hint: The US has never been communist, but everything Trump took from you were socialist government systems that actually (barely) helped combat the money bias. Why? Because capitalism has an end goal, industrial feudalism where you are property of a corporation or a wealthy owner. And right now, the US government and it’s police force are even “deporting” white people to El Salvador.
It’s not authoritarian to follow rules that seem to make sense, it’s authoritarian to say the rules make sense if provided with opposing evidence. Some of the rules still make sense here. That is all I’m saying.
This is true. I’ve never been a fan of the U.S. and their notion of democracy and freedom has always been gross to me.
Big assumption.
I never said this. If more cops questioned orders, that’d be a good thing. Unquestioningly obeying is part of the problem.
Honestly. I’m too tired to reply to you. You’ve clearly got a bunch of ideas about who I am and what I think, and I’ve no idea where you got these ideas from but it sure as heck wasn’t my comment. Have a good night.
I think you’re a human being, and that not one of the people commenting in this thread seem to care that blanket statements don’t help, so why am I not also entitled to make blanket statements like “humans are stubbornly unaccepting to the point of cruelty”?
Good cops get fired.
Or “friendly” fire accidents happen.
And then random people are chatged for the murder. Never the cop who fired the shots.
There are better cases, that I agree on.
This is going too far, though. You don’t have to keep hammering like you can force me to do whatever serves your viewpoint above all others. Public conversation is about actually improving things, and I literally can’t drive a car or buy a bus ticket (and for reasons unrelated to money, politics and the topic at hand). If you want change, I have less social pull than you and I can accept being argued against, but I will not be forced to change just because every fucker on the internet has to have everyone else be part of their echo chamber.