The University of Florida has joined the list of higher education institutions in that state partnering with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to carry out immigration enforcement on campus, officials told CBS News on Saturday.
“We can confirm that we have signed the 287(g) agreement,” a University of Florida spokesperson told CBS News. The agreement, which Gov. Ron DeSantis issued in February, allows law enforcement to act as immigration officers.
It was not immediately clear who at the University of Florida would act as immigration officers under this agreement and the school’s spokesperson did not provide additional comment. They did, however, confirm that eight students have had their visas revoked.
DACA isn’t “undocumented”.
You do know what “documented” means, right?
Edit: Just to clarify, “Dreamers” arrive in the US as undocumented when their parents bring them here. They become documented when they enroll in DACA. Documentation ≠ citizenship.
They don’t know how the fuck to read so of course they fucking don’t. Treat every fucking person like that as if they are too stupid to chew food without being told by their king orange turd how to do it.
I truly do not understand the hostility here. It’s important that people understand that there are undocumented students on college campuses and that this legislation, like basically all legislation from this administration poses real harm to them. Please see the content of this comment I put elsewhere in this thread:
Dreamers is one of the names for undocumented people. DACA is legislation that’s been implemented to protect some of them. Did you even bother reading anything in the above link above? Here’s a direct quote: While there are over 408,000 undocumented students currently enrolled in postsecondary education, less than half (181,000) are DACA-eligible
DACA was implemented because dreamers were going to school already, it’s not HOW they go school.
DACA also does not make someone “documented”. It is a weird loophole, but their immigration status is still technically undocumented despite them being able to work and go to school. Basically the government promises not to do anything about them for a bit. They have to keep renewing that promise. It’s not like a normal visa. The government is not actually giving them a “right” to stay.
See here: “DACA/DACA-mented Students who are DACA recipients (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), also known as “DACA-mented” students, are still considered undocumented students even though they may have a social security number and/or an Employment Authorization Card. DACA students should follow the same steps as an undocumented student when applying to SOU. A copy of your Employment Authorization Card is not required for admission processing.”
And
“Some undocumented students may be part of DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) while others are not.” https://sou.edu/admissions/apply/uid/
“Deferred action is an exercise of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.” https://www.uscis.gov/DACA
I am quite familiar with this particular status. It seems like everybody else is going off of vibes, and not even bothering to take two seconds to google this. Are you familiar with the definition of documented/undocumented? It’s not as simple as the way it’s used in general conversation.
Undocumented students can and do go to college. Some of them are eligible for DACA. DACA does not make you documented.
people are pissed off at our system and redirecting it at each other is the defining characteristic of the culture wars.
that anger would be better placed at the system; but we’re too ignorant of it know how to use that anger effectively and willfully refuse to learn it.
That’s valid in theory, but I am literally just pointing out a fact. A fact which other people have gotten wrong and are actively spreading misinformation about. Misinformation that harms a minority and underprivileged population, which I’m assuming they care about. I feel like conceptually we should be on the same side, but they refused to even consider that someone else might be right so have just jumped to calling me illiterate apparently. I’m not saying that undocumented students should be deported or anything. I’m literally just advocating for them, because they exist, and it’s important that people know that. Otherwise when the government is accused of departing them everyone will act like they don’t exist and therefore can’t be deported.
I am legitimately struggling to tell the difference between fascists and overzealous leftists who just don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s a very bad position to be in. But, to your point, I guess either way I should give them grace, because obviously their issue is with the system and they are just mistakenly taking it out on me.
advocating for them is always a good thing; my life has been heavily impacted by people like them and this is why i responded to your comment.
you’re seeing for yourself how misinformation can be spread (assuming that you didn’t already know) and, to drive this point home: leftists are called as such (outside the west) because they adhere to writings of people from the past that have analyzed, studied, and trial/errored on their strategies. the term leftists is co-opted heavily in the west and especially so in the united states; so when you encounter an “overzealous leftist” know that they’re not ascribing that any of those texts because those texts advocate for that same grace that you’re wondering if you should afford to them.
i think of them as left-maga since they know as much about leftism as trump’s maga does about politics or history.
It makes me so proud to see people talk about undocumented people positively, so thank you for sharing that (I’m assuming the impact they had was positive, apologies if that’s not the case).
Yea, plenty of people have latched onto the general ideology without familiarizing themselves with either the fundamentals or modern praxis. I will wholly admit that I’m not extremely well versed, having only read the most pop-philosophy books/essays. I like to think I make up for it in praxis, but I know we’re all works in progress and I could definitely still benefit from more reading/work. I think alienation has made actually connecting with the OG works harder, but hopefully both L and R magas and everyone in between gets a chance to find themselves in it. Thanks for the reminder.
Dreamers are undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, lived and attended school here, and identify as American.
https://www.presidentsalliance.org/breakdown-of-dreamer-with-and-without-daca/
What are you saying?
Once again, perhaps you don’t know what “documented” means.
They were undocumented when their parents brought them here. They became documented when they enrolled in DACA. That’s how documentation works.
You seem to be equating “documentation” with “citizenship”
Dreamers is one of the names for undocumented people. DACA is legislation that’s been implemented to protect some of them. Did you even bother reading anything in the above link above? Here’s a direct quote: While there are over 408,000 undocumented students currently enrolled in postsecondary education, less than half (181,000) are DACA-eligible
DACA was implemented because dreamers were going to school already, it’s not HOW they go school.
DACA also does not make someone “documented”. It is a weird loophole, but their immigration status is still technically undocumented despite them being able to work and go to school. Basically the government promises not to do anything about them for a bit. They have to keep renewing that promise. It’s not like a normal visa. The government is not actually giving them a “right” to stay.
See here: “DACA/DACA-mented Students who are DACA recipients (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), also known as “DACA-mented” students, are still considered undocumented students even though they may have a social security number and/or an Employment Authorization Card. DACA students should follow the same steps as an undocumented student when applying to SOU. A copy of your Employment Authorization Card is not required for admission processing.”
And
“Some undocumented students may be part of DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) while others are not.” https://sou.edu/admissions/apply/uid/
“Deferred action is an exercise of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.” https://www.uscis.gov/DACA
I am quite familiar with this particular status. It seems like everybody else is going off of vibes, and not even bothering to take two seconds to google this. Are you familiar with the definition of documented/undocumented? It’s not as simple as the way it’s used in general conversation.
Undocumented students can and do go to college. Some of them are eligible for DACA. DACA does not make you documented.
Sometimes I can’t tell if I’m arguing with fascists who are attempting to waste my time, or people who are so incapable or uninterested in the conversation they don’t even bother to read the links I readily provided, but for some reason are willing to respond multiple times. Please let me know which you are, so I know if I should even bother with the rest of this conversation.
I’m really just curious how undocumented immigrants enroll in universities. University of Florida was listed in OPs article. I am currently enrolled in a much smaller community college but I had to provide a lot of info on who I was and prove my citizenship and state residency. I assumed all colleges and universities do the same.
A lot of (if not most) allow you to apply without some of that information and I’ve seen specific workflows set up for undocumented students depending on the school. You can Google most of it, but here’s one of the first results: https://www.bestcolleges.com/resources/undocumented-students/college-application-guide/
You can’t, the other commenter is full of shit.
This is easily googleable and I’ve provided links.
I have no idea why people prefer to spread misinformation instead of taking two seconds to fact check.
https://www.bestcolleges.com/resources/undocumented-students/college-application-guide/