yeah people just can’t wrap their minds around indirect elections. like you vote for some guys that then vote for a guy to do executive stuff. if you don’t agree with your guys choice you recall them.
they act like direct popular election of the executive is the pinnacle of democracy (when it’s even a fucking recent invention in liberal democracies!)
imagine having representatives that you can directly interact with and recall at will. thousands of times more “democratic” then an executive popularity contest
(also this is how you get competent managers, which is what the executive should be. managers of things when the legislature is not in session)
reminds me of this, I hope you like it. (seeing Trump wildly mash buttons on the imperial console has made this age well imo)
On a small scale, direct democracy is great, the problem is when you try
to scale it up, direct democracy transforms into its opposite and
becomes the greatest hindrance to democracy.
The problem is, and I know leftcoms don’t like to hear this, but regular
people are not omniscient! The large the scale of the election, the
more difficult it is for a person to even grasp the full scale of what
they’re voting for.
Take, for example, the US presidential election. If Joe Biden had a 5
minute conversation with every single American of voting age, it would
take almost 2000 years to complete. It’s not physically possible for
regular people to come to know a candidate on an election of this scale
organically.
How do they come to know them, then? Simple, through media institutions.
You cannot vote for someone without knowing who they are, and hence,
whoever is placed on the media will be the first step in the nomination
process to decide who can get elected, since it will be impossible for
voters to even know who they are voting for without the media.
Who ran for president in the US last election? You can probably say Joe
Biden, Donald Trump, maybe if you followed it closely you’d know some
less known candidates like Bernie or Howie.
In reality, 1,216 people ran for president in 2022. Yet, you don’t know
of almost any of them. Because you only know of who the media told you
about. And it’s even worse in the US because the media is controlled by
money so a candidate’s viability is directly linked p with how much
money they raise to appear in the media.
In practice, large-scale direct democracy always just devolves into a
dictatorship of the media. Whatever small group has control over the
media will control all of society, because regular people are not
omniscient and won’t understand how to run a country as big as China
with over a billion people, and will rely on the TV to tell them how to
vote, not because they’re not smart, but because nobody is that smart.
You aren’t either, nor am I.
With some exceptions like national referendums on issues people might
actually generally know about, in general, all elections should be very
small in scale, or else they will be easily susceptible to manipulation.
Yes, for a large society, this requires many layers of elections, but it
originates from small scale direct democratic elections at the base,
and every layer going up is subject to the right to recall by the one
below it. Each election is small enough so that people know who they are
voting for at every step, so it is a rational system and not a chaotic
one, producing efficient government that has its roots in the public.
This is far more functional than some chaotic direct democracy where 1+
billion Chinese people vote on every single issue. Such a thing would be
a complete disaster and not democratic at all.
It also adds a benefit of making it rather difficult to climb to the
top. To be president, you have to constantly prove yourself on every
layer. You have to start small, directly elected at the root, and prove
yourself at a local level, and eventually work your way up until you
eventually prove you can manage towns, cities, whole provinces, until
you can even be considered to be at the helm of the entire nation.
Adding these layers not only makes it more democratic and rational as a
system but it also has a benefit of inherently injecting merit into the
process.
The obsession over direct democracy for everything needs to go. It works
well for somethings, small-scale elections at the base for the first
layer of representatives, and occasionally on natural referendums where
certain issues affect everyone. But it is not some cure-all
silver-bullet for everything and is in fact a complete disaster if you
try to apply it to everything.
the media access part really hits home. especially in the U.S., the whole “setting the narrative” thing.
there’s only so much room in people’s attention span unless you sit at your PC all day and obsessively research.
also the layered approach is really the only way to create an actual meritocratic system. sure, it’s possible for corruption but that can be countered by strong accountability.
yeah people just can’t wrap their minds around indirect elections. like you vote for some guys that then vote for a guy to do executive stuff. if you don’t agree with your guys choice you recall them.
they act like direct popular election of the executive is the pinnacle of democracy (when it’s even a fucking recent invention in liberal democracies!)
imagine having representatives that you can directly interact with and recall at will. thousands of times more “democratic” then an executive popularity contest
(also this is how you get competent managers, which is what the executive should be. managers of things when the legislature is not in session)
reminds me of this, I hope you like it. (seeing Trump wildly mash buttons on the imperial console has made this age well imo)
—zhenli真理
great read i’m saving this!
the media access part really hits home. especially in the U.S., the whole “setting the narrative” thing.
there’s only so much room in people’s attention span unless you sit at your PC all day and obsessively research.
also the layered approach is really the only way to create an actual meritocratic system. sure, it’s possible for corruption but that can be countered by strong accountability.