I genuinely don’t get why y’all use this as an insult. Liberal has been bastardized from its original roots of pretty much modern day libertarianism, which is a deeply unserious party. Not even corrupt neolibs compare to that.
Here’s where you might get me, I don’t see us transitioning into a socialist system without excessive violence, unless we use capitalism to get us there. I don’t want violence that’s undue, I don’t want the death of innocents, and I don’t want authoritarianism from a single fallible person. Corruption is always the ruining factor of any ideology.
I fail to see how those views qualify me as a liberal, not even a neolib.
You must hate all countries then because they all use aspects of capitalism to further their gains. I agree though the goal is to ween off of capitalism into proletariat owned socialism. Unfortunately for tankies I won’t be used as a tool for their wanton violence against those that disagree. My demsoc flavor emphasizes humanism over hatred.
i do hate the burgeoise plotting for the literal destruction of the planet so they can maintain their obscene power, yes. i don’t know how you define “aspects of capitalism”.
no use empathizing with so and so intangible concept, though. i care about actual success in improving workers’ lives and smashing imperialism, and the MLs historically excel at that. honourable mention to anarchists too.
Aspects of capitalism: private businesses, private homeownership, private agriculture, classism, investments into foreign countries, foreign investment into said country, etc
As long as you’re not a tankie or authoritarian I don’t really have a problem with many of the particulars. Just know lots of MLs are tankies.
i know where tankie comes from, but its just used to further divide the left tbh.
the difference between the “good” MLs and the “bad” ones is completely unclear. sometimes people say “tankie” to just mean “leftist”
private businesses, private homeownership, private agriculture, classism, investments into foreign countries, foreign investment into said country,
investing in other countries is not necessarily capitalism, and while transitioning away from it you are bound to still have private property for a while. demsocs especially, no?
communism -ie a propertyless, classless society- has never been achieved.
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.
I agree, I’m not a neo-lib, I’m a demsoc.
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I genuinely don’t get why y’all use this as an insult. Liberal has been bastardized from its original roots of pretty much modern day libertarianism, which is a deeply unserious party. Not even corrupt neolibs compare to that.
Here’s where you might get me, I don’t see us transitioning into a socialist system without excessive violence, unless we use capitalism to get us there. I don’t want violence that’s undue, I don’t want the death of innocents, and I don’t want authoritarianism from a single fallible person. Corruption is always the ruining factor of any ideology.
I fail to see how those views qualify me as a liberal, not even a neolib.
ooooo premium neolib
No dawg, you’re thinking of socdems. Which are still better than tankies.
if you think capitalism is better than leftism, you are not a leftist.
You must hate all countries then because they all use aspects of capitalism to further their gains. I agree though the goal is to ween off of capitalism into proletariat owned socialism. Unfortunately for tankies I won’t be used as a tool for their wanton violence against those that disagree. My demsoc flavor emphasizes humanism over hatred.
i do hate the burgeoise plotting for the literal destruction of the planet so they can maintain their obscene power, yes. i don’t know how you define “aspects of capitalism”.
no use empathizing with so and so intangible concept, though. i care about actual success in improving workers’ lives and smashing imperialism, and the MLs historically excel at that. honourable mention to anarchists too.
Aspects of capitalism: private businesses, private homeownership, private agriculture, classism, investments into foreign countries, foreign investment into said country, etc
As long as you’re not a tankie or authoritarian I don’t really have a problem with many of the particulars. Just know lots of MLs are tankies.
i know where tankie comes from, but its just used to further divide the left tbh.
the difference between the “good” MLs and the “bad” ones is completely unclear. sometimes people say “tankie” to just mean “leftist”
investing in other countries is not necessarily capitalism, and while transitioning away from it you are bound to still have private property for a while. demsocs especially, no?
communism -ie a propertyless, classless society- has never been achieved.
No it’s not, Tankies are very clearly defined to be “Authoritarians”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
And it’s demonstrated by
Perpetuating Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640 and their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415 and even defending concentration camps as "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
I’ve got Tankies supporting Trump because he’s doing what they want: https://lemmy.world/post/28033872 and basically stating with Trump it’s an ends justify the means kinda thing: https://lemmy.world/post/27950020 censoring comments that just say you shouldn’t romanticize Stalin and the USSR: https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
And much much more on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Nah, tankie is pretty synonymous with authoritarian communism, which is no bueno in my book.