Meh. I’m not sure how much I really believe this vs. the only candidates with the financial backing and media platform to get noticed in primaries tend to be the corpocentrists.
What data do you need to leave your bubble? Issue polling, favorability polling, revealed preference, actual vote share? Americans, by a wide margin, want. Less legal immigration and stricter enforcement of immigration law — including detention and deportation.
Okay, first of all, I was questioning your assertion. We should always be willing to critically examine our beliefs, or we’d still be beholden to the divine right of kings.
Second, while I appreciate that that’s the current state of affairs, I think that no small part of it is due to Overton window drift and nobody being willing to stick their neck out and present a bold alternative vision for people to adopt. All we have is “Mexicans bad” and everything from “Mexicans bad lite” to “[pride flags][si se puede] Mexicans okay ish”. You don’t see anyone calling for taking a hammer to the system that makes immigration so fucked up in the first place.
My older brother is a racist asshole that, even though he vote democrats, he is very anti-immigration and doesn’t like how “black people and mexicans are getting too much welfare”, think immigration should be more strict, even though we are immigrants. Fits right Harris’ “Secure the Borders” rhetoric. (He voted Harris btw)
My parents also think the Democrats are being too leinient on immigrarion, and that “illegals” are draining all the benefits.
But they don’t see how the republicans don’t care about “legal” or “illegal”, its a dogwhistle referring to all immigrants.
But fortunately, I convinced my mom to vote Democrats.
Many of my relatives in NYC are also registered democrats. When we were in NYC, my relatives and my mother’s friends all had the sentinment to vote democrats. (I was able to verify that some of my relatives were registered as Democrat, since its public info in New York) During family gatherings, and sometimes through WeChat calls that my parents make to relative and friends, they go “How are you doing” then like 5 minutes later “Oh yea thing are crazy, these Democrats are mishandling the ‘Migrant Crisis’, they letting these ‘violent’ people going around out and get welfare…” [Conversation is in Cantonese of course] And from what I can hear, both side of the call was agree with the “Democrats too weak on immigration” sentinment. (They put their calls on loudspeaker when I wanted some silence 😕) They are all first-generation immigrants.
I’m just like: 🙄…
So these people are quite common, unfortunately. Harris was pandering to these people.
Because that’s what Democratic voters want.
Most democrats are not leftists, they are liberals.
Meh. I’m not sure how much I really believe this vs. the only candidates with the financial backing and media platform to get noticed in primaries tend to be the corpocentrists.
What data do you need to leave your bubble? Issue polling, favorability polling, revealed preference, actual vote share? Americans, by a wide margin, want. Less legal immigration and stricter enforcement of immigration law — including detention and deportation.
It’s the unfortunate reality.
Okay, first of all, I was questioning your assertion. We should always be willing to critically examine our beliefs, or we’d still be beholden to the divine right of kings.
Second, while I appreciate that that’s the current state of affairs, I think that no small part of it is due to Overton window drift and nobody being willing to stick their neck out and present a bold alternative vision for people to adopt. All we have is “Mexicans bad” and everything from “Mexicans bad lite” to “[pride flags][si se puede] Mexicans okay ish”. You don’t see anyone calling for taking a hammer to the system that makes immigration so fucked up in the first place.
Anecdote, so maybe my perception is biased:
My older brother is a racist asshole that, even though he vote democrats, he is very anti-immigration and doesn’t like how “black people and mexicans are getting too much welfare”, think immigration should be more strict, even though we are immigrants. Fits right Harris’ “Secure the Borders” rhetoric. (He voted Harris btw)
My parents also think the Democrats are being too leinient on immigrarion, and that “illegals” are draining all the benefits.
But they don’t see how the republicans don’t care about “legal” or “illegal”, its a dogwhistle referring to all immigrants.
But fortunately, I convinced my mom to vote Democrats.
Many of my relatives in NYC are also registered democrats. When we were in NYC, my relatives and my mother’s friends all had the sentinment to vote democrats. (I was able to verify that some of my relatives were registered as Democrat, since its public info in New York) During family gatherings, and sometimes through WeChat calls that my parents make to relative and friends, they go “How are you doing” then like 5 minutes later “Oh yea thing are crazy, these Democrats are mishandling the ‘Migrant Crisis’, they letting these ‘violent’ people going around out and get welfare…” [Conversation is in Cantonese of course] And from what I can hear, both side of the call was agree with the “Democrats too weak on immigration” sentinment. (They put their calls on loudspeaker when I wanted some silence 😕) They are all first-generation immigrants.
I’m just like: 🙄…
So these people are quite common, unfortunately. Harris was pandering to these people.
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