Let me explain the metaphor I used since, surprisingly, you seem to have missed it by a mile:
Most of the people the libs nowadays call “tankies” are as communist or even just socialist as most of the people the Macartists called “commie” back in the time of the Red Scare (meaning, most are neither: those terms were and are used by libs/Macartists mostly for people who are just left-of-center)
Who are you talking about? Libs mostly don’t even know what tankies are, they aren’t generally going around using the term as an epithet. I think there’s more LaRouchites than tankies in the US, it’s an obscure and politically irrelevant tiny little slice of the population that 99% of people have no idea about. The only reason anyone talks about them on Lemmy is because there’s a disproportionate amount here and a number of them like to make a nuisance of themselves. The people who dislike tankies are almost exclusively actual communists and Marxists and socialists and anarchists, and generally people of the left who are in any way knowledgeable about history or politics. No else even gives a shit about them.
Are you surprised then? There’s a disproportionate number of tankies on Lemmy relative to anywhere else and they have a habit of poor yet aggressive argumentation. For libs who are ignorant of political ideologies and encounter tankies for the first time here they usually have no idea that tankies aren’t actually communists or socialists or leftists. They don’t know what leftists really are and so tankies become the stereotype for them. If you keep encountering assholes who tell you they are leftists you’re going to think that all leftists are assholes. I think that’s gone on enough here now that the reputation of tankies gets turned into a broad brush and perhaps gets applied inaccurately to actual leftists. You can blame libs for being ignorant but its understandable given the context here.
The people who dislike tankies are almost exclusively actual communists and Marxists and socialists and anarchists, and generally people of the left who are in any way knowledgeable about history or politics. No else even gives a shit about them.
Exactly. I’d say that its likely most everyone else has never even heard the term.
And during the Macartist times authoritarian lefties called themselves “communist”.
The point being that back them with “communist” and “commie” as now with “tankies”, other people who are not authoritarian lefties are also being labelled by their politicial adversaries with their nickname for authoritarian lefties.
I’m shocked I’ve had to explain the same thing thrice now.
Let me explain the metaphor I used since, surprisingly, you seem to have missed it by a mile:
Who are you talking about? Libs mostly don’t even know what tankies are, they aren’t generally going around using the term as an epithet. I think there’s more LaRouchites than tankies in the US, it’s an obscure and politically irrelevant tiny little slice of the population that 99% of people have no idea about. The only reason anyone talks about them on Lemmy is because there’s a disproportionate amount here and a number of them like to make a nuisance of themselves. The people who dislike tankies are almost exclusively actual communists and Marxists and socialists and anarchists, and generally people of the left who are in any way knowledgeable about history or politics. No else even gives a shit about them.
Liberals are the only ones doing that.
The ones here do. I’m not writting for people not here.
And they’re “libs” because you say so, because they don’t pass your purity test.
Fallacious as fuck.
Are you surprised then? There’s a disproportionate number of tankies on Lemmy relative to anywhere else and they have a habit of poor yet aggressive argumentation. For libs who are ignorant of political ideologies and encounter tankies for the first time here they usually have no idea that tankies aren’t actually communists or socialists or leftists. They don’t know what leftists really are and so tankies become the stereotype for them. If you keep encountering assholes who tell you they are leftists you’re going to think that all leftists are assholes. I think that’s gone on enough here now that the reputation of tankies gets turned into a broad brush and perhaps gets applied inaccurately to actual leftists. You can blame libs for being ignorant but its understandable given the context here.
Exactly. I’d say that its likely most everyone else has never even heard the term.
Except most of the authoritarian tankies self-label as communists. So your analogy was not terribly apt.
And during the Macartist times authoritarian lefties called themselves “communist”.
The point being that back them with “communist” and “commie” as now with “tankies”, other people who are not authoritarian lefties are also being labelled by their politicial adversaries with their nickname for authoritarian lefties.
I’m shocked I’ve had to explain the same thing thrice now.
Fascists who like to cosplay as communists are still fascists.