The point I am making is that you are doing two things here. The first shows a fear for your personal safety and represents a very understandable reluctance. People usually get that part. It represents a non-ideal outcome but people are generally fairly willing to write it off.
However when people come on here and posting the way you are trying to advocate for your position to be one of unchallenged normalcy it is trying to achieve a totally separate second task. You are trying to reinforce an oppossing social pressure in direct opposition to the goals of others with the intention of group safety. You are either not being honest with yourself or not being honest with us about your intentions are but that doesn’t really matter because regardless you’re going from being a smaller problem for people to one that is standing directly in their path.
A lot of the time this second task isn’t elucidated properly because you framed this as an argument about how best to achieve your personal safety which is a fundamentally different arguement… But people arguing against you often are approaching you from this second task because you are not arguing effectively for personal safety when your actions and stated desiref outcome don’t align.
You are effectively arguing for lower general safety by fighting against the social pressures that are in service of raising the bar of protections. That is in direct opposition to your goals and theirs. Why would the misconception about a fear of needles matter when it doesn’t change your modis operandi and you statedly do not care? Why is lying the lesser evil then being selfish?
Would it clear some things up if people just said “We don’t particularly care about your fear of vaccine injury. Our pushback is actively trying to engineer society to protect a wider swath of the human population and your fears aren’t relevant to that aim but the repetition and specific means of open expression of those fears as being something worthy of respect is in direct conflict”?
Im not arguing for anyone to do what I do. Its extreamly obvious that my decision is worse for the group if the group thinks everyone should vaccinate no matter at what cost to their personal safety.
I dont care if someone does what I do, or if they do something else. :)
And why do you think you need to clear things up? Nothing you said is even remotely difficult to understand. Its like trying to clear up what today’s weather is going to be. This is not about one of us not understanding things. Its just about personal choices for reasons we both have.
Because I don’t think one hops around a topic replying to a multitude of strangers with fairly combative short little posts that convey a sense of being personally attacked if they have a solid understanding of this principle?
Because there’s only three ways people respond to an argument based out of ‘everyman for themselves’ logic. The most common is to respond with a “well fuck you too” attitude and the second is to double down on their belief that that’s not a good principle. I wonder why one would open themselves up to that and behave like it’s compelling if you’re already aware? The juice doesn’t seem worth the squeeze.
I dont have the feeling of being personally attacked. Is it possible that you are reading things into this thread that isnt actually there? Because im enjoying the discussions. And I dont think your opinion is strange, but I also dont think my opinion is strange. Its fine to disagree and be ok with it.
As for the juice not being worth the squeeze, I told you two times already but I guess you dont believe me. I just think I should be honest with my opinions even when there is no gain to be had, only downvotes. Its important for my self respect to not lie for popularity.
I don’t find you terribly respectable I’m afraid. Your self improvement narrative in regards to vaccines with the “I go to the gym and wash my vegetables” is enacting something ultimately dark that goes beyond simply trying to be understood. I wish you would stop but at this point I am very certain you won’t. Good luck.
The point I am making is that you are doing two things here. The first shows a fear for your personal safety and represents a very understandable reluctance. People usually get that part. It represents a non-ideal outcome but people are generally fairly willing to write it off.
However when people come on here and posting the way you are trying to advocate for your position to be one of unchallenged normalcy it is trying to achieve a totally separate second task. You are trying to reinforce an oppossing social pressure in direct opposition to the goals of others with the intention of group safety. You are either not being honest with yourself or not being honest with us about your intentions are but that doesn’t really matter because regardless you’re going from being a smaller problem for people to one that is standing directly in their path.
A lot of the time this second task isn’t elucidated properly because you framed this as an argument about how best to achieve your personal safety which is a fundamentally different arguement… But people arguing against you often are approaching you from this second task because you are not arguing effectively for personal safety when your actions and stated desiref outcome don’t align.
You are effectively arguing for lower general safety by fighting against the social pressures that are in service of raising the bar of protections. That is in direct opposition to your goals and theirs. Why would the misconception about a fear of needles matter when it doesn’t change your modis operandi and you statedly do not care? Why is lying the lesser evil then being selfish?
Would it clear some things up if people just said “We don’t particularly care about your fear of vaccine injury. Our pushback is actively trying to engineer society to protect a wider swath of the human population and your fears aren’t relevant to that aim but the repetition and specific means of open expression of those fears as being something worthy of respect is in direct conflict”?
Im not arguing for anyone to do what I do. Its extreamly obvious that my decision is worse for the group if the group thinks everyone should vaccinate no matter at what cost to their personal safety.
I dont care if someone does what I do, or if they do something else. :)
And why do you think you need to clear things up? Nothing you said is even remotely difficult to understand. Its like trying to clear up what today’s weather is going to be. This is not about one of us not understanding things. Its just about personal choices for reasons we both have.
Because I don’t think one hops around a topic replying to a multitude of strangers with fairly combative short little posts that convey a sense of being personally attacked if they have a solid understanding of this principle?
Because there’s only three ways people respond to an argument based out of ‘everyman for themselves’ logic. The most common is to respond with a “well fuck you too” attitude and the second is to double down on their belief that that’s not a good principle. I wonder why one would open themselves up to that and behave like it’s compelling if you’re already aware? The juice doesn’t seem worth the squeeze.
I dont have the feeling of being personally attacked. Is it possible that you are reading things into this thread that isnt actually there? Because im enjoying the discussions. And I dont think your opinion is strange, but I also dont think my opinion is strange. Its fine to disagree and be ok with it.
As for the juice not being worth the squeeze, I told you two times already but I guess you dont believe me. I just think I should be honest with my opinions even when there is no gain to be had, only downvotes. Its important for my self respect to not lie for popularity.
I don’t find you terribly respectable I’m afraid. Your self improvement narrative in regards to vaccines with the “I go to the gym and wash my vegetables” is enacting something ultimately dark that goes beyond simply trying to be understood. I wish you would stop but at this point I am very certain you won’t. Good luck.
Good luck. I enjoyed the conversation.