Its easier for them to blame voters than accept the reality that the whole system is corrupted by money and neo liberal western democracy is broken as is and without economic democracy (which is what democrats spent their efforts thwarting the last 3 election cycles) what it actually is, is a class dictatorship. Democrats sabotaged sanders not once hut twice because they had nothing to lose shooting themselves in the foot and betraying the working class, they preferred a far right fascist since fascism does not threaten capital. So they did whatever possible to prevent an administration thet wojld resemble FDR in any way and give their billionaire donors the win they paid for.
Now neo liberal right leaning centrists cosplaying as leftists just sit there and toe the party line by blaming people who will not support defense contractor astro turfed corrections industry corporatists of wall street due to blatant ideological failures and contradictions. Voting for a party to ensure that 10% fewer Palestinians will die by American bombs while we ignore the wage stagnation to the point of wage slavery and unaffordable housing crisis but consider it a win because we vote for meaningless virtue signaling sell outs is pure delusion.
Blaming voters instead of those in power for the systems failures is the same logic of those who blame any Palestinian organization instead of the fascist regime armed to the teeth with billions of dollars in high tech ordinance and surveillance equipment who have been allowed to ignore international law and have a secret illegal nuclear program since the 1970’s. Its dellusional. We have a gross failure of policy and ideology in the democratic party and yall need to wake the fuck up and realize this instead of allowing your comfortable complacency to further empower the leaches controling things behind the scenes and falling victim to their clever PR manipulations.
Last November, it wasn’t voting for status quo on either party, it was status quo vs fascism.
It was known that it was fascism vs status quo and there is no amount of justification that will make it any different.
People that protest voted or stayed at home directly helped fascism take power.
If you think that milquetoast status quo with Dems was bad, you’ll shit on the floor the next few years as your country accelerates into fascism. Trump hasn’t even been in power for 6 months and look at all the damage done.
We can blame both voters and the system, but in the face of fascism, it wasn’t time to make a statement.
I hope that the world rearrange itself and leave the US to rot because what is happening right now is fucked up and no amount of mental gymnastics and justifications will make a difference.
The American people chose fascism, plain and simple.
Neo liberals have their head so far up their ass they don’t understand that a party that pretends to be the good guys while still enforcing a racially prejudiced war on drugs to bolster a militarized police state and send mostly poor brown people into modern concentration/forced slave labor camps is defacto fascist. The American democratic party in any other developed country is considered a center right party. Leftism (the true antithesis of fascism)in the usa is vehemently suppressed by the party cosplaying as leftists. When the citizens ask for fair wages fair housing fair anything resembling economic democracy they are shit on and told to go fuck themselves by both parties the dems just wave a pride flag and post #BLM while they do it because their expensive PR firm consultants tell them it looks good
I know that, otherwise we wouldn’t be here today.
But at the very fucking least, Americans could have refrained from giving the full reign to a fascist party.
The voters are as much responsible as the Democrats, but for people like you, that’s fucking hard to grasp that it can be both.
Keep doing mental gymnastics so that you can sleep at night because the US, and by proxy, the rest of the world, just got a lot worst a lot faster.
It is a weird moment to take a stance against when an openly fascist candidate is the front runner for the US presidency. Riddle me this.
You sound like the type of guy who gets bad review after bad review at their job and when they get passed up for a promotion, blames it on something like DEI.
Absolutely nothing forced the DNC to take such a hard right stance this election after having previously lost using the same terrible strategy. They were more concerned with courting Republican voters and protecting Israel than preserving our democracy and now we’re paying the price for it.
It is a weird moment to take a stance against
I’ve held this stance since 2016, so keep reaching. It’s the DNC who’s continually pushed away their base election after election to the point that they’ve handed over control of the entire government to Republicans. If you want to talk about mental gymnastics, maybe you should start there. They’re supposed to be the opposition not controlled opposition.
What are you babling on about? I get bad review at work because I am mad that the American populace put a fascist party in power?
Go get bent.
There is no mental gymnastics here. The DNC is dog shit, the RNC should be dismantled and tried for actively hurting the population as the fascist party they are.
There wasn’t even a universe where voting Republican was sane, yet here we are with people like you not taking the responsibility of their actions.
“Get bent” typical neo liberal response. Instead of realizing leftists are right and have been right since the DNC subverted democracy the first time in 2016 you just point the finger at people who wont get in line and support decrepit status quo centrism. At a time when its not even worth having a job anymore and rent prices for a 1 bedroom apartment take up 60-75% of the wages that 2/3 of millennials and gen z earn thinking that voting for a party that ignores these issues is what america needs is just ignorant. The system has made it obviously clear it will not allow remedy through its own mechanisms so we are at an impasse and the only way to fix things is now obviously mass organized political 🎻 🎻 / revolution. Those whoare too comfortable or too brainwashed to stop participating in a society that have failed them need to wake up and pull their head out of the sand. Doing what you and or your parents have done since this started with reagan (it started during nixon but there was far more resistance in the late 60’s/early 70’s than there is now) is not going to get any different results and believing it will is just peak neo liberal delusion. So you all need to swallow your pride and come to the conclusion that we are right. The dnc is funded and controlled by the same corporate wall street military and prison industry profiteering billionaires that fund and control the right wing MAGA politicians. They refuse to move left and instead lick the boot of blatantly fascist campaigns since fascism doesnt threaten capital and that is preferential to them.
Do some reading and figure it out. Neo liberal
Western democracy is inherently opposed to economic democracy and this means that it is not democratic in any way and is in fact a class dictatorship.
How is “get bent” a typical neo liberal response you dunce? Why was every shithead like you pull stupid shit out of their ass like that and feel smug about it?
Yeah I fucking point my finger at people that didn’t want status quo because the other fucking option was literal fascism.
You get that? Is it hard to grasp? Why was it a month away from elections that every fucking protest voter came out of the woodwork to be dipshits? Where are you now except on Lemmy being a fucking prick?
Instead of realizing leftists are right and have been right since the DNC subverted democracy the first time in 2016
Is the DNC a fucking shit stain? Absolutely. Was it worth it to elect a fascism governement instead? Absolutely not. It seems thst for people like you it’s really fucking hard to grasp.
Nobody’s saying that people are wrong about the DNC, what people are saying is that the choice was clear : status quo or full on fascism, and the American people chose fascism, and third voters and protest voters helped bring the Republicans in power.
Can you even define fascism? Because i can and it exists within the democratic party as well.
Get bent is the typical neo liberal response because the typical neo liberal response is to blame the working class and people advocating for real change By challenging the tired class dictatorship they want to enforce regardless of the consequences.
So ill ask you again, who is to blame?
Those in positions of power who waste countless resources on political advertisement campaigms smearing and sabotaging candidates that are popular and did offer a real solution to fight fascism
Or the people who participate in a flawed democracy that has made it clear countless times it does jot respect the opinions or the ideologies of the working class and poor.
There are 14 main traits that define fascism. It can be simplified as the amalgamation of corporate and political power. But of the 14 traits the only one that those in power can claim plausible deniability of its existence are fraudulent elections. But its obvious that money controls our entire socio political system and those with capital will can and do whatever they can to maintain control so it is naive to believe that our votes do anything to affect the outcome of our presidential elections. In Germany they have deemed electronic voting to be unconstitutional because it is impossible yo differentiate fraudulent results from legitimate ones for people who are not cyber security / IT experts.
So its obvious our government was corrupted by money ling before trump. But neo libs keep preaching ballot box revolution/ reform is possible(this is delusional) when both parties exhibit 13 of 14 traits of fascism blatantly (93%) it isnt just naive to think out elections are sacred and still have integrity because of Hurrr Durrr Democracy! And ‘Murican Eyedeeuhlisumm! Its fucking stupidity and ridiculousness manifest.
You need to realize the time has come for you to put your big boy pants on and accept the reality. That our democracy isnt just broken, it doesn’t function and is a complete farcical fraud. The system is broken and will not allow self remediation through the processes of a broken system. We have come to the point in time where the only way to fix things is revolution. Ignoring this is stupidity manifest. Naive ballot box reform is not just impossible it is antithetical to the nature of the system that has evolved over time through the corruption of the ultra wealthy whom have been waging an obvious class war against us for the last 5-6 decades at least.
Non-voters and Trump voters chose to end America, end Palestine, and end Ukraine. You chose it. You can namby pamby about “the system” whatever, but take ownership of the fact that the system did you so wrong, you ended it and obliterated two others I’ll bet dollars to donuts you claimed to support in voting (or not) as you did. Take responsibility. The Democrats didn’t make you do it; you did it.
Honestly for me, I would’ve and did pick America lasting, flawed as it was, and Ukraine and Palestine having a chance. Turns out a country that’s run like a company isn’t the worst thing in the world if it isn’t run purposefully into the ground. Just own your choices and be whatever form of happy the consequences make you.
Ukraine is a western vassal state. We are fighting this war and using clever propaganda to convince Americans that democracy is at stake meanwhile we dont have democracy in the usa. We have class dictatorship. America has done the same thing to every country since the 60’s. Impose western imperialist dominance through force regardless of what the citizens of that country want, we poked the bear till the Berlin wall fell then took control of ukraine and looted it for wall street profits. Now we want to hold onto Ukraine at all costs for the sake of resource and trade route control while absorbing ukraine into NATO so we can put strateginc nuclear strike capability even closer to russia. So western aggression / posturing and foreign policy is the cause of this conflict which will become world war 3 regardless of who fired the first shot (wars today are foughy via insurgency, manipulation espionage and economic sanctions so the truth is battlefield violence was not the first shot fired in the ukraine/russia (west/east) conflict.
America has been dead long before this election. You just believe the propaganda of billionaires who are laughing behind the scenes while they manufacture your consent and rape your wallet There is no left party in the us and this is a result of that.
And the support of the Ukraine conflict and Palestinian autonomy are ideologies that are diametrically opposed. Neo liberals are on some serious copium.
Its easier for them to blame voters than accept the reality that the whole system is corrupted by money and neo liberal western democracy is broken as is and without economic democracy (which is what democrats spent their efforts thwarting the last 3 election cycles) what it actually is, is a class dictatorship. Democrats sabotaged sanders not once hut twice because they had nothing to lose shooting themselves in the foot and betraying the working class, they preferred a far right fascist since fascism does not threaten capital. So they did whatever possible to prevent an administration thet wojld resemble FDR in any way and give their billionaire donors the win they paid for.
Now neo liberal right leaning centrists cosplaying as leftists just sit there and toe the party line by blaming people who will not support defense contractor astro turfed corrections industry corporatists of wall street due to blatant ideological failures and contradictions. Voting for a party to ensure that 10% fewer Palestinians will die by American bombs while we ignore the wage stagnation to the point of wage slavery and unaffordable housing crisis but consider it a win because we vote for meaningless virtue signaling sell outs is pure delusion.
Blaming voters instead of those in power for the systems failures is the same logic of those who blame any Palestinian organization instead of the fascist regime armed to the teeth with billions of dollars in high tech ordinance and surveillance equipment who have been allowed to ignore international law and have a secret illegal nuclear program since the 1970’s. Its dellusional. We have a gross failure of policy and ideology in the democratic party and yall need to wake the fuck up and realize this instead of allowing your comfortable complacency to further empower the leaches controling things behind the scenes and falling victim to their clever PR manipulations.
Last November, it wasn’t voting for status quo on either party, it was status quo vs fascism.
It was known that it was fascism vs status quo and there is no amount of justification that will make it any different.
People that protest voted or stayed at home directly helped fascism take power.
If you think that milquetoast status quo with Dems was bad, you’ll shit on the floor the next few years as your country accelerates into fascism. Trump hasn’t even been in power for 6 months and look at all the damage done.
We can blame both voters and the system, but in the face of fascism, it wasn’t time to make a statement.
I hope that the world rearrange itself and leave the US to rot because what is happening right now is fucked up and no amount of mental gymnastics and justifications will make a difference.
The American people chose fascism, plain and simple.
You’re incredibly naive if you think fascism just took hold in 2024 and not decades ago. The status quo was fascism too.
Neo liberals have their head so far up their ass they don’t understand that a party that pretends to be the good guys while still enforcing a racially prejudiced war on drugs to bolster a militarized police state and send mostly poor brown people into modern concentration/forced slave labor camps is defacto fascist. The American democratic party in any other developed country is considered a center right party. Leftism (the true antithesis of fascism)in the usa is vehemently suppressed by the party cosplaying as leftists. When the citizens ask for fair wages fair housing fair anything resembling economic democracy they are shit on and told to go fuck themselves by both parties the dems just wave a pride flag and post #BLM while they do it because their expensive PR firm consultants tell them it looks good
I know that, otherwise we wouldn’t be here today. But at the very fucking least, Americans could have refrained from giving the full reign to a fascist party.
The voters are as much responsible as the Democrats, but for people like you, that’s fucking hard to grasp that it can be both.
Keep doing mental gymnastics so that you can sleep at night because the US, and by proxy, the rest of the world, just got a lot worst a lot faster.
It is a weird moment to take a stance against when an openly fascist candidate is the front runner for the US presidency. Riddle me this.
You sound like the type of guy who gets bad review after bad review at their job and when they get passed up for a promotion, blames it on something like DEI.
Absolutely nothing forced the DNC to take such a hard right stance this election after having previously lost using the same terrible strategy. They were more concerned with courting Republican voters and protecting Israel than preserving our democracy and now we’re paying the price for it.
I’ve held this stance since 2016, so keep reaching. It’s the DNC who’s continually pushed away their base election after election to the point that they’ve handed over control of the entire government to Republicans. If you want to talk about mental gymnastics, maybe you should start there. They’re supposed to be the opposition not controlled opposition.
What are you babling on about? I get bad review at work because I am mad that the American populace put a fascist party in power?
Go get bent.
There is no mental gymnastics here. The DNC is dog shit, the RNC should be dismantled and tried for actively hurting the population as the fascist party they are.
There wasn’t even a universe where voting Republican was sane, yet here we are with people like you not taking the responsibility of their actions.
“Get bent” typical neo liberal response. Instead of realizing leftists are right and have been right since the DNC subverted democracy the first time in 2016 you just point the finger at people who wont get in line and support decrepit status quo centrism. At a time when its not even worth having a job anymore and rent prices for a 1 bedroom apartment take up 60-75% of the wages that 2/3 of millennials and gen z earn thinking that voting for a party that ignores these issues is what america needs is just ignorant. The system has made it obviously clear it will not allow remedy through its own mechanisms so we are at an impasse and the only way to fix things is now obviously mass organized political 🎻 🎻 / revolution. Those whoare too comfortable or too brainwashed to stop participating in a society that have failed them need to wake up and pull their head out of the sand. Doing what you and or your parents have done since this started with reagan (it started during nixon but there was far more resistance in the late 60’s/early 70’s than there is now) is not going to get any different results and believing it will is just peak neo liberal delusion. So you all need to swallow your pride and come to the conclusion that we are right. The dnc is funded and controlled by the same corporate wall street military and prison industry profiteering billionaires that fund and control the right wing MAGA politicians. They refuse to move left and instead lick the boot of blatantly fascist campaigns since fascism doesnt threaten capital and that is preferential to them.
Do some reading and figure it out. Neo liberal Western democracy is inherently opposed to economic democracy and this means that it is not democratic in any way and is in fact a class dictatorship.
How is “get bent” a typical neo liberal response you dunce? Why was every shithead like you pull stupid shit out of their ass like that and feel smug about it?
Yeah I fucking point my finger at people that didn’t want status quo because the other fucking option was literal fascism.
You get that? Is it hard to grasp? Why was it a month away from elections that every fucking protest voter came out of the woodwork to be dipshits? Where are you now except on Lemmy being a fucking prick?
Is the DNC a fucking shit stain? Absolutely. Was it worth it to elect a fascism governement instead? Absolutely not. It seems thst for people like you it’s really fucking hard to grasp.
Nobody’s saying that people are wrong about the DNC, what people are saying is that the choice was clear : status quo or full on fascism, and the American people chose fascism, and third voters and protest voters helped bring the Republicans in power.
What we need is a revolution.
Can you even define fascism? Because i can and it exists within the democratic party as well.
Get bent is the typical neo liberal response because the typical neo liberal response is to blame the working class and people advocating for real change By challenging the tired class dictatorship they want to enforce regardless of the consequences.
So ill ask you again, who is to blame?
Those in positions of power who waste countless resources on political advertisement campaigms smearing and sabotaging candidates that are popular and did offer a real solution to fight fascism
Or the people who participate in a flawed democracy that has made it clear countless times it does jot respect the opinions or the ideologies of the working class and poor.
There are 14 main traits that define fascism. It can be simplified as the amalgamation of corporate and political power. But of the 14 traits the only one that those in power can claim plausible deniability of its existence are fraudulent elections. But its obvious that money controls our entire socio political system and those with capital will can and do whatever they can to maintain control so it is naive to believe that our votes do anything to affect the outcome of our presidential elections. In Germany they have deemed electronic voting to be unconstitutional because it is impossible yo differentiate fraudulent results from legitimate ones for people who are not cyber security / IT experts.
So its obvious our government was corrupted by money ling before trump. But neo libs keep preaching ballot box revolution/ reform is possible(this is delusional) when both parties exhibit 13 of 14 traits of fascism blatantly (93%) it isnt just naive to think out elections are sacred and still have integrity because of Hurrr Durrr Democracy! And ‘Murican Eyedeeuhlisumm! Its fucking stupidity and ridiculousness manifest.
You need to realize the time has come for you to put your big boy pants on and accept the reality. That our democracy isnt just broken, it doesn’t function and is a complete farcical fraud. The system is broken and will not allow self remediation through the processes of a broken system. We have come to the point in time where the only way to fix things is revolution. Ignoring this is stupidity manifest. Naive ballot box reform is not just impossible it is antithetical to the nature of the system that has evolved over time through the corruption of the ultra wealthy whom have been waging an obvious class war against us for the last 5-6 decades at least.
Non-voters and Trump voters chose to end America, end Palestine, and end Ukraine. You chose it. You can namby pamby about “the system” whatever, but take ownership of the fact that the system did you so wrong, you ended it and obliterated two others I’ll bet dollars to donuts you claimed to support in voting (or not) as you did. Take responsibility. The Democrats didn’t make you do it; you did it.
Honestly for me, I would’ve and did pick America lasting, flawed as it was, and Ukraine and Palestine having a chance. Turns out a country that’s run like a company isn’t the worst thing in the world if it isn’t run purposefully into the ground. Just own your choices and be whatever form of happy the consequences make you.
Ukraine is a western vassal state. We are fighting this war and using clever propaganda to convince Americans that democracy is at stake meanwhile we dont have democracy in the usa. We have class dictatorship. America has done the same thing to every country since the 60’s. Impose western imperialist dominance through force regardless of what the citizens of that country want, we poked the bear till the Berlin wall fell then took control of ukraine and looted it for wall street profits. Now we want to hold onto Ukraine at all costs for the sake of resource and trade route control while absorbing ukraine into NATO so we can put strateginc nuclear strike capability even closer to russia. So western aggression / posturing and foreign policy is the cause of this conflict which will become world war 3 regardless of who fired the first shot (wars today are foughy via insurgency, manipulation espionage and economic sanctions so the truth is battlefield violence was not the first shot fired in the ukraine/russia (west/east) conflict.
America has been dead long before this election. You just believe the propaganda of billionaires who are laughing behind the scenes while they manufacture your consent and rape your wallet There is no left party in the us and this is a result of that.
And the support of the Ukraine conflict and Palestinian autonomy are ideologies that are diametrically opposed. Neo liberals are on some serious copium.