Summary
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has called for an “immediate” summit between the US, EU, and Western allies to discuss Ukraine following a heated White House meeting between Trump and President Zelenskyy.
The February 28 meeting ended without agreement on a minerals deal after escalating into a confrontation over US aid and peace deal conditions.
Meloni warned that Western division “makes us all weaker” as European leaders reaffirmed support for Ukraine.
EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas commented that “the free world needs a new leader,” while European allies worry about being excluded from US-Russia negotiations to end the war.
This person got elected campaigning against EU and is now captaining a EU summit. They campaigned against surrogacy and electric cars and are in bed with elon musk contracting him military infrastructures.
The current government is a coalition between meloni, salvini and berlusconi party.
And that’s what I said. Completely expected. And her position about EU will change again depending on what happens in Europe. Right now she is still trying to reconcile EU and US.
That’s also what I said. Government coalitions, especially in Italy, are not expressive of any particular ideology. Also not Berlusconi’s party anymore, thankfully, since he is feeding worms.
What I want to say is that Meloni has some core values. These values are essentially the same that were for MSI, and those were the same that were for the PNF. Other positions are subordinated to those values, which means that her position about Europe, but also her atlantism change over time, depending on what serves best those core values. Atlantism for example sounds extremely contradictory for a nationalist party which, during fascism, preached autarchy. So, did they change? No, not really. Atlantism is essentially a byproduct of anticommunism since the cold war era. Likewise, EU position change depending if that is more functional to push nationalism (I.e., Netherlands and Germany want to strangle Italy - nationalism) or other stuff.
The biggest difference is that people like Salvini were born politically as communists, joined the Lega Nord preaching independence of Padania within a party that literally wiped their ass with Italian flag, then moved to become nationalist populistic party once he took the lead. What are Salvini’s core political values? None. Meloni is a much more serious politician, which makes her much more dangerous, because she does have an ideology, and she does what is functional to push that ideology. Saying that fascists don’t have ideas is - IMHO - straight up dangerous, because it gives the idea that they are not serious about what they do, and if the wind changes, they will also change. Meloni so far didn’t change since she had a party with 3-4% and played Berlusconi’s crutch until now.
I agree with meloni coming from a worst background but that background held no real core values too. What ideologies the mafia has? If needed they would even resort to kill children like they have done many times. What i’m trying to highlight to you is that scum simply doesn’t play by the rules. If tomorrow international press were to start shitting on the church this person would do a 360 and change their views like mussolini did with lateran treaty
And that’s where I disagree. Playing by the rules has nothing to do with not having values. MSI had ideology, their founders came directly from RSI and never renegaded the fascist regime, and Fini - who “evolved” the right wing - is seen as a traitor by those in Almirante’s school because he did renegade fascism (at least, formally). Meloni’s party could have turned populist and pursue more favorable positions, and instead she stuck with her shitty ideas despite having minimal consensus early on.
I don’t think so at all. It’s a speculation of course. Which to me makes it worse, because the idea of Christianity she has (conservative, strict gender roles, strong “moral” values, etc.) survives the relationship with the church itself, even if this one should evolve (unlikely). Take for example abortion. Abortion has wide support among Italian population. Despite this, she still sticks with her reactionary position, because this is descending from those core values. Look instead Salvini’s relationship with religion to see what an ideological whore looks like…
By the way, you are talking about Mussolini’s evolution, but that was before he founded fascism, and anyway his Later treaties were a perfect political instrument to gain power. Deschner in “Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums” (Criminal history of Christianity) covers the whole timeline quite in depth, and if it was not for the church support he wouldn’t have managed to pass the “leggi fascistissime” (including the electoral reform) which ultimately lead him to take full power, via the alienation of Sturzo.
So once again, Mussolini’s relationship with the church is debatable and mostly functional to him pursuing his power grab. For sure there are strong overlaps with traditional christian morality and fascism, but I see these as more part of the strategy to form a strong identity around which to build nationalism.
Fascists fought WWII against the allies and lost to them, these people siding with USA make them sound like the perfect renegates.
They scream shit all day and then do the opposite, you know they would do it.
I already mentioned why atlantism is a position ad a result of anticommunism. We are going in cirlces I guess.