A press conference in the Oval Office with President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Zelensky turned contentious after Vance slammed Zelensky for campaigning with former Vice President Kamala Harris. The chaotic meeting appears to have squashed Zelensky’s opportunity to sign a mineral deal with the US.…
I have a theoretical question, just to better understand your logic, if you don’t mind.
If I get into power - I will make it legal to hunt down and murder liberals (that’s basically what liberals support happening under Zelensky’s regime to me, so I think it’s absolutely fair). Obviously it wouldn’t be considered murder under my new law (like you don’t consider kidnapping a kidnapping), but there would a term for it, like “making word a better place” (a la “arresting draft dodgers”) or something like this.
Now, someone “makes world a better place” to your friends/family/etc. (we assume they are liberals). Will you say that what happened was “world was made a better place”, or that those people were murdered?
If your answer is not “the world was made a better place” - why? How is this situation different from the kidnapping not being kidnapping because there is a law that says it’s not?
This is a really convoluted way of asking “is arresting someone the same as kidnapping?” the answer is no.
Kidnapping is forcibly detaining someone in an illegal fashion. Hence, the police arresting someone for commiting a crime is not “kidnapping”, whether you agree with the law or not.
whether or not you recognize authority committing the forced displacement of a human being against their will determines whether or not it is a kidnapping.
if we we’re to end up with east-ukraine and west-ukraine as countries, the east ukrainians would probably classify them as abductions by west ukrainian forces.
I would love to discuss alternative realities, but I’m talking about the real world, where there’s a draft, with consequences for dodging it.
So, no. By definition it’s not “kidnapping”.
it’s a reality, in all but name, and it’s also a reality that this war no longer has a point without trump, forcing someone else to go die for it is beyond pointless or evil; it’s worse than kidnapping.
I agree this war has no point. Russia tried to invade Ukraine and couldn’t. Their “liberate Kyyv in one week” goal is like, 3 years behind schedule? And just got some life-saving oxygen due to Trump.
Trump is immaterial. In case you don’t follow international politics, no one is seriously counting on him for any war scenario.
it’s worse than kidnapping.
It could be worse than “kidnapping”, but it’s still not “kidnapping”.
it’s a reality, in all but name means that people are already being taken against their will (ie kidnapping); but it’s not being called kidnapping because the west ukranians are in control (for now).
The point is that it’s not “kidnapping”.
Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Taking someone against their will and putting them in a cell that they can’t escape sure seems to fit the definition to me!
It was kidnapping then and it’s kidnapping now.
Do you support the Vietnam draft and oppose the protests against it or something?
It’s not kidnapping, it’s law, like it or not. But if you have a felon President, I guess law doesn’t matter that much.
Oh its illegal where I live so I get to call it kidnapping
It’s not kidnapping because it’s legal, lmao.
I knew you would get it, eventually.
I have a theoretical question, just to better understand your logic, if you don’t mind.
If I get into power - I will make it legal to hunt down and murder liberals (that’s basically what liberals support happening under Zelensky’s regime to me, so I think it’s absolutely fair). Obviously it wouldn’t be considered murder under my new law (like you don’t consider kidnapping a kidnapping), but there would a term for it, like “making word a better place” (a la “arresting draft dodgers”) or something like this.
Now, someone “makes world a better place” to your friends/family/etc. (we assume they are liberals). Will you say that what happened was “world was made a better place”, or that those people were murdered?
If your answer is not “the world was made a better place” - why? How is this situation different from the kidnapping not being kidnapping because there is a law that says it’s not?
You see, you can’t say that the germans were murdering jews since it was under a legalist framework 🤓
This is a really convoluted way of asking “is arresting someone the same as kidnapping?” the answer is no.
Kidnapping is forcibly detaining someone in an illegal fashion. Hence, the police arresting someone for commiting a crime is not “kidnapping”, whether you agree with the law or not.
sophistry is just going to get you a punch on the face in the real world bud
You didn’t answer my question.
whether or not you recognize authority committing the forced displacement of a human being against their will determines whether or not it is a kidnapping.
if we we’re to end up with east-ukraine and west-ukraine as countries, the east ukrainians would probably classify them as abductions by west ukrainian forces.
I would love to discuss alternative realities, but I’m talking about the real world, where there’s a draft, with consequences for dodging it. So, no. By definition it’s not “kidnapping”.
it’s a reality, in all but name, and it’s also a reality that this war no longer has a point without trump, forcing someone else to go die for it is beyond pointless or evil; it’s worse than kidnapping.
(confusion)
I agree this war has no point. Russia tried to invade Ukraine and couldn’t. Their “liberate Kyyv in one week” goal is like, 3 years behind schedule? And just got some life-saving oxygen due to Trump. Trump is immaterial. In case you don’t follow international politics, no one is seriously counting on him for any war scenario.
It could be worse than “kidnapping”, but it’s still not “kidnapping”.
Okay then its murder your fuhrer is murdering his citizens
Its not murder because its legal 🤓
it’s a reality, in all but name means that people are already being taken against their will (ie kidnapping); but it’s not being called kidnapping because the west ukranians are in control (for now).
Glad we agree it’s not kidnapping then.