“You can deceive some people all of the time or all people some of the time, but you can’t deceive all people all of the time”.
My point is that they need to deceive all people (well, most people) to get into power in most Democracies and their lies only stretch so far once they have to actually show results in things that matter to everybody, so eventually they’re back at deceiving some people (i.e. true believers) all of the time just like when they started and that’s not enough for power (plus the distrust in them after they had power, fucked it up and the many stopped believing their lies, tends to last at least a few decades).
As long as they can be voted away Fascists, whilst never going extinct (there are always the true believers), will not hold power for long.
However if they manage to change the system into Autoritarianism (like Orban in Hungary and Putin in Russia) they can stay there until the day they die.
So back to my original point, Trump might become dictator for life in the US if he manages to subvert what little is left of Democracy in that country, but due to the huge media exposure of US policy everywhere in the World, his example will be counted in the “can’t deceive all people all of the time” side for any wannabe Fascists everywhere who haven’t already got themselves enough power to destroy the Democratic system in their country.
PS: Thinking about this, Europe in the time when the NAZI party was growing is a great example of my point - several countries turned Fascist at the same time as Germany and those which didn’t participate in WWII in the side of the Axis and got defeated (like Spain and Portugal) remained Fascist Dictatorships for decades, but countries which had strong internal support for Fascist ideas (such as the UK, were there is even a photo of young Princess Elizabeth - later Queen - being taught how to do a NAZI salute by her uncle the then King) during the growth of the NAZI party but hadn’t turn Fascist by the time Germany invaded neighbouring countries, turned away from Fascism when that happenned and never became Fascist nations. Further, this had impact outside Europe (including in the US were there was also a lot of support for Fascism) and only by the 70s did Fascism returned somewhere (specifically, the Pinochet Dictatorship in Chile from 1973 to 1990).
(That said the exception is Greece which became Fascist right after the end of WWII, curiously with the military support of the Brits who attacked the Communist Resistance in Greece to stop that nation from turning Communist and allowed the Fascists to take power)
“You can deceive some people all of the time or all people some of the time, but you can’t deceive all people all of the time”.
My point is that they need to deceive all people (well, most people) to get into power in most Democracies and their lies only stretch so far once they have to actually show results in things that matter to everybody, so eventually they’re back at deceiving some people (i.e. true believers) all of the time just like when they started and that’s not enough for power (plus the distrust in them after they had power, fucked it up and the many stopped believing their lies, tends to last at least a few decades).
As long as they can be voted away Fascists, whilst never going extinct (there are always the true believers), will not hold power for long.
However if they manage to change the system into Autoritarianism (like Orban in Hungary and Putin in Russia) they can stay there until the day they die.
So back to my original point, Trump might become dictator for life in the US if he manages to subvert what little is left of Democracy in that country, but due to the huge media exposure of US policy everywhere in the World, his example will be counted in the “can’t deceive all people all of the time” side for any wannabe Fascists everywhere who haven’t already got themselves enough power to destroy the Democratic system in their country.
PS: Thinking about this, Europe in the time when the NAZI party was growing is a great example of my point - several countries turned Fascist at the same time as Germany and those which didn’t participate in WWII in the side of the Axis and got defeated (like Spain and Portugal) remained Fascist Dictatorships for decades, but countries which had strong internal support for Fascist ideas (such as the UK, were there is even a photo of young Princess Elizabeth - later Queen - being taught how to do a NAZI salute by her uncle the then King) during the growth of the NAZI party but hadn’t turn Fascist by the time Germany invaded neighbouring countries, turned away from Fascism when that happenned and never became Fascist nations. Further, this had impact outside Europe (including in the US were there was also a lot of support for Fascism) and only by the 70s did Fascism returned somewhere (specifically, the Pinochet Dictatorship in Chile from 1973 to 1990).
(That said the exception is Greece which became Fascist right after the end of WWII, curiously with the military support of the Brits who attacked the Communist Resistance in Greece to stop that nation from turning Communist and allowed the Fascists to take power)