If pedophilia is pedophilia then you should be well aware that pedophilia required a 5 year age difference. This is two teenagers kissing. If your family can’t control themselves to the extent that they would physically attack someone over consensually kissing another teenager then I don’t know what to say. Your comments are 1) encouraging and defending violence over two teenagers kissing and 2) it is so absurdly chauvinistic and full of yourself it is crazy. This being wrong isn’t widely accepted by our modern society in the west but it certainly wasn’t seen as wrong in the past and has difference views on this. Honestly, your post just reeks of chronic-onlineism.
Being a pedophile doesn’t have to be rape, it’s being attracted or doing inappropriate stuff with minors(it can be touching, mouth kissing on lips etc), this is a minor(as in younger than 18) and an adult. They certainly couldn’t if they saw a pedo doing this shit in person, ESPECIALLY if it happened to me or any minor family member. I’m personally always for prison option of course not towards the victim(where tf did you get that) but towards an adult pedo, but I’m sometimes leaning towards the option some from my family propose (better not to write it here). I’m not from west so idk about situation there, but I did hear that there is a lot of normalization in USA going on. Some of the people I know who have way more extreme opinions on this almost never(if any) spend time online, idk why hating pedos has to equal with being chronically online.
Oh, I guess you know better than all social norms and the authors of the DSM-5. Why in the world is their psychology research being done when we have you to just declare that two teenagers kissing one another (as they do in the video) is pedophilic? Let’s just downplay every single term by applying it to everything we disagree with! Why not?
Did you even hear about a thing called ‘age of consent’? In case you didn’t, minors can’t consent, laws of which existed long before yankees decided to write a book about it, which is 18 if you didn’t know. Besides, in some parts of Japan it was 13 until recently, not to mention Nigeria, so why don’t we make it lower then? I don’t care for the age gaps if the people involved are adults, it can be 25 and 125 for all I care for, but pedophilia is when an adult is attracted to or doing inappropriate stuff with a minor(as in under 18); which is the case here, this is not downplaying anything, by your logic, we should absolutely ignore any hint of pedophilia and let worse stuff potentially happen. I’ve got a lot better idea, let’s just throw all the pedos to prison and let them be dealt with by prisoners, in most cases it’s very effective.
You know there is a difference between the people being 4 years apart, and both teenagers and like a 40 year old and a 12 year old right? It downplays how terrible pedophiles actually are by calling everything pedophilic. And the power argument doesn’t really make sense as plenty would argue that male individuals have power over female individuals and they were both kissing one another. This is like calling shoplifting the same thing as robbing, they might both be stealing but it undermines what robbing is by comparing them in such a manner.
Second of all, your comment is just largely incorrect. Plenty of places have age of consent laws (which apply to sexual relations, by the way) that are below 18. Most of the US has one at 16. Vietnam’s is 15 and PRC’s is 14. This is culturally dependent. Actual pedophilic behavior is awful and one of the worst crimes possible, that’s why I have an issue with you calling this pedophilic behavior because it undermines the gravity of the crime.
If it was 20 and 25 or 25 and 35, I wouldn’t care. Why? Because both are adults and can consent. Calling something what it is isn’t ‘‘downplaying’’ anything and you should stop using that word because it undermines actually creepy non-rape shit pedos do. If someone was beaten or got a fist to the face once out of the blue, is it ‘‘downplaying’’ one of these by saying that both are assault? Yes, shoplifting and robbing are both stealing yes, at least you should know that.
In Japan it was 13 until recently, does that mean that it should be 13 everywhere? In most countries it’s between 16-18. Pedophilia is being attracted or doing that stuff with a minor, this doesn’t mean just outright rape, it includes touching, inappropriate kissing and yes, you guessed it, showing your tongue down someone’s throat.
I’m not saying what should be or shouldn’t be legal or acceptable. It can be wrong but that doesn’t make it correct for you to use a term that clearly has different meaning than this professionally and commonly. It dilutes the meaning and does undermine the cultural perception of the severity of pedophilia by calling other things, right or wrong morally, the same term. Even if you argue that it’s a slippery slope, it still dilutes the meaning. From your legalistic perspective, it would make it morally right or wrong depending on location while simultaneously taking a position based on our modern perceptions of past events. I’m not saying that this is correct, just that it makes the term lose its severity, which I think is a very significant thing.
It is correct. Pedophilia-being attracted and/or doing any inappropriate stuff with a minor, this DOESN’T have to be only outright rape and intercourse, it can be anything I stated, it is pedophilia, that’s the fact, you can’t call it murder, bombing or evading taxes or whatever because it isn’t, it’s fucking pedophilia. As for various places, incest is legal somewhere, that doesn’t make it ok. ‘‘Basing on modern perceptions’’ is the exact thing reactionaries say every time when someone talks about their racist idols from 19th century as if that makes it completely alright. You can’t use the term terrorist for example for pedo, you have to call it what it is, and not excuse it. I bet my ass if it was a male adult reactions would be completely different.
Except that just fundamentally isn’t what being a pedophile is, socially or professionally speaking. You are the one trying to take past events into the present and connect them to our morality so I would argue that your actions much better mirror that of those reactionaries, since I am not arguing for any connection to our present times.
Fundamentally, I think you are arguing against a straw man that doesn’t exist. You keep bringing up points I haven’t made. Fundamentally, this action isn’t pedophilic from any definition of the word. Other actions may be or may not be. That isn’t relevant. I just think that by conflating this with actual pedophilia, you work to undermine how awful it really is.
If pedophilia is pedophilia then you should be well aware that pedophilia required a 5 year age difference. This is two teenagers kissing. If your family can’t control themselves to the extent that they would physically attack someone over consensually kissing another teenager then I don’t know what to say. Your comments are 1) encouraging and defending violence over two teenagers kissing and 2) it is so absurdly chauvinistic and full of yourself it is crazy. This being wrong isn’t widely accepted by our modern society in the west but it certainly wasn’t seen as wrong in the past and has difference views on this. Honestly, your post just reeks of chronic-onlineism.
Being a pedophile doesn’t have to be rape, it’s being attracted or doing inappropriate stuff with minors(it can be touching, mouth kissing on lips etc), this is a minor(as in younger than 18) and an adult. They certainly couldn’t if they saw a pedo doing this shit in person, ESPECIALLY if it happened to me or any minor family member. I’m personally always for prison option of course not towards the victim(where tf did you get that) but towards an adult pedo, but I’m sometimes leaning towards the option some from my family propose (better not to write it here). I’m not from west so idk about situation there, but I did hear that there is a lot of normalization in USA going on. Some of the people I know who have way more extreme opinions on this almost never(if any) spend time online, idk why hating pedos has to equal with being chronically online.
Oh, I guess you know better than all social norms and the authors of the DSM-5. Why in the world is their psychology research being done when we have you to just declare that two teenagers kissing one another (as they do in the video) is pedophilic? Let’s just downplay every single term by applying it to everything we disagree with! Why not?
Did you even hear about a thing called ‘age of consent’? In case you didn’t, minors can’t consent, laws of which existed long before yankees decided to write a book about it, which is 18 if you didn’t know. Besides, in some parts of Japan it was 13 until recently, not to mention Nigeria, so why don’t we make it lower then? I don’t care for the age gaps if the people involved are adults, it can be 25 and 125 for all I care for, but pedophilia is when an adult is attracted to or doing inappropriate stuff with a minor(as in under 18); which is the case here, this is not downplaying anything, by your logic, we should absolutely ignore any hint of pedophilia and let worse stuff potentially happen. I’ve got a lot better idea, let’s just throw all the pedos to prison and let them be dealt with by prisoners, in most cases it’s very effective.
You know there is a difference between the people being 4 years apart, and both teenagers and like a 40 year old and a 12 year old right? It downplays how terrible pedophiles actually are by calling everything pedophilic. And the power argument doesn’t really make sense as plenty would argue that male individuals have power over female individuals and they were both kissing one another. This is like calling shoplifting the same thing as robbing, they might both be stealing but it undermines what robbing is by comparing them in such a manner.
Second of all, your comment is just largely incorrect. Plenty of places have age of consent laws (which apply to sexual relations, by the way) that are below 18. Most of the US has one at 16. Vietnam’s is 15 and PRC’s is 14. This is culturally dependent. Actual pedophilic behavior is awful and one of the worst crimes possible, that’s why I have an issue with you calling this pedophilic behavior because it undermines the gravity of the crime.
If it was 20 and 25 or 25 and 35, I wouldn’t care. Why? Because both are adults and can consent. Calling something what it is isn’t ‘‘downplaying’’ anything and you should stop using that word because it undermines actually creepy non-rape shit pedos do. If someone was beaten or got a fist to the face once out of the blue, is it ‘‘downplaying’’ one of these by saying that both are assault? Yes, shoplifting and robbing are both stealing yes, at least you should know that.
In Japan it was 13 until recently, does that mean that it should be 13 everywhere? In most countries it’s between 16-18. Pedophilia is being attracted or doing that stuff with a minor, this doesn’t mean just outright rape, it includes touching, inappropriate kissing and yes, you guessed it, showing your tongue down someone’s throat.
I’m not saying what should be or shouldn’t be legal or acceptable. It can be wrong but that doesn’t make it correct for you to use a term that clearly has different meaning than this professionally and commonly. It dilutes the meaning and does undermine the cultural perception of the severity of pedophilia by calling other things, right or wrong morally, the same term. Even if you argue that it’s a slippery slope, it still dilutes the meaning. From your legalistic perspective, it would make it morally right or wrong depending on location while simultaneously taking a position based on our modern perceptions of past events. I’m not saying that this is correct, just that it makes the term lose its severity, which I think is a very significant thing.
It is correct. Pedophilia-being attracted and/or doing any inappropriate stuff with a minor, this DOESN’T have to be only outright rape and intercourse, it can be anything I stated, it is pedophilia, that’s the fact, you can’t call it murder, bombing or evading taxes or whatever because it isn’t, it’s fucking pedophilia. As for various places, incest is legal somewhere, that doesn’t make it ok. ‘‘Basing on modern perceptions’’ is the exact thing reactionaries say every time when someone talks about their racist idols from 19th century as if that makes it completely alright. You can’t use the term terrorist for example for pedo, you have to call it what it is, and not excuse it. I bet my ass if it was a male adult reactions would be completely different.
Except that just fundamentally isn’t what being a pedophile is, socially or professionally speaking. You are the one trying to take past events into the present and connect them to our morality so I would argue that your actions much better mirror that of those reactionaries, since I am not arguing for any connection to our present times.
Fundamentally, I think you are arguing against a straw man that doesn’t exist. You keep bringing up points I haven’t made. Fundamentally, this action isn’t pedophilic from any definition of the word. Other actions may be or may not be. That isn’t relevant. I just think that by conflating this with actual pedophilia, you work to undermine how awful it really is.