mtsw on Bluesky:
Since JD Vance just converted to Catholicism 5 minutes ago, he might not know this: the Pope authoring a letter where he goes out of his way to correct you, specifically, is considered âbadâ in the Catholic tradition
Yeah, letâs ignore that Trump is an adulterer and rapist, Pope.
Oh no, will Christians listen to their leader The Pope or their leader The Trump?
The Pope is right like a stopped watch, and you know what else is incompatible with Christianity and conscience? The Catholic Church.
Religion itself is incompatible with conscience
The Pope doesnt represent REAL CATHOLICS! DONALD TRUMP DOES! Him and ALL his Marriages and Wealth!
Why are we placing blame on Trump when the current situation can be traced back to policies under Biden, such as open borders and the lack of a clear pathway to citizenship for immigrants? It seems we have forgotten the broader context of this issue.
What the hell does âopen bordersâ mean? Do you think Biden didnât deport people?
Itâs really scary when one has bible thumping relatives calling out the Pope as immoral and extremist, and embracing Donald Trump.
âNot my popeâ. Iâm, yeah, actually, he is.
Trump isnât Catholic.
Heâs also not a Christian.
JD Vance is, but heâs basically a bit player in the whole Magaverse. Heâs there to break ties and run interference on the stupidest of mainstream media, not to actually have any role in policy.
Thereâs a lot of Christians who disobey the pope because heâs running counter to co-prez Trump.
Christianity /= following the pope.
The Pope is exclusively catholic.
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
Thank you for the correction.
thereâs a whole parish here in my small town thatâs all in on the maga juice. bot farms, vpn accounts, fake social media accounts, the whole bit. employees too, not just parishioners. spreading the hate and promoting the maga cult and candidates. just like âgodâ intended.
They should lose their tax exempt status.
To be fair, they all should.
Thing is, though, anti catholicism runs deep among the evangelical crowd. This is, as far as the mega (maga) church crowd is concerned, a ringing fucking endorsement of Trump.
I live in a highly religious part of the country. 79% of the state is some form of christian.
I have had several conversations with people here who do not comprehend that catholics are christian. In fact I even had an argument about it here on Lemmy a while back. I wonder if someone will pop out again to try to tell me that catholics arenât christians.
You may already know this, but is commonly taught by evangelical fundy Protestants that Catholicism isnât Christianity. It is considered a polytheistic cult due to the praying to and veneration of saints. By these groupâs definition: Catholics, Mormons, Jehovahâs Witnesses are not Christians.
Me? I think they all suck, but, I was raised by the fundies.
to be fair: the majority of each one of those branches also donât consider any of the others to be christian as well.
Thatâs such lunacy. Just because your denomination is different doesnât mean it has a monopoly on the religion. Catholics have that same vibe to me, just not as weird about it.
Trump would deport Jesus if he could.
Given the rate of executions during Trumpâs last tenure, I think itâs feasible he wouldâve crucified Jesus for the crime of existing while brown, if given the chance
The Popeâs selective outrage reeks of ecclesiastical theaterâdenouncing deportations while his own empire sits on centuries of plundered gold and complicit silence as right-wing zealots twist scripture into shackles. Charity as performance art canât mask the Vaticanâs hoarded billions or its failure to dismantle systems that create modern Exodus crises.
Trumpâs deportation fetish mirrors Roman circus politicsâdistract the plebs with bloodsport while oligarchs pick their pockets. State-sanctioned scapegoating isnât governance; itâs the death rattle of empires too bankrupt to fix real problems.
Invoking the Holy Familyâs refugee plight? Sacred ironyâtodayâs âChristiansâ wouldâve barred Mary at the border for âillegal entryâ and called Herod a patriot. Scripture as a bludgeon only works if you ignore the Beatitudes.
Christian nationalismâs endgame? Theocratic feudalismâcrucifixes on flags, borders as moats, and Lazarus left to rot. Piety as a profit model demands enemies, not empathy.
I distinctly remember a similarly high quality speech receiving this comment.
bro took off his shirt to write this
When the pope told Henry VIII that what Henry wanted to do was a no-no, Henry separated, created Church of England, and made himself its head. What do we think Trump will call the new Christian denomination in America and what will be the title of its head?
It already exists and itâs called Evangelicals
The American civil religion is already basically that
What do we think Trump will call the new Christian denomination in America and what will be the title of its head?
Itâs going to involve the name Trump. Donny will be the head of it.
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Iâve got $10 on Trump brings back the old anti-Catholic America
Heâs already the second coming of Jesus to a sizeable part of the US evangelical demographic.
Most of the US doesnât care what the pope has to say.
True, but there are some areas in the deep South where Calothicism is a big cultural influence. However, there is also quite a bit of friction between Calothicism and some more evangelical groups in those same areas.
I think this could at least cause some meaningful friction to public opinion in some very Pro-Trumo areas. Who knows how things will land while people resolve their confrontation with the cognitive dissonance, but friction is good.
Catholicism in the deep south is nowhere near as possible like Baptist or Methodist. Most of the deep south doesnât even consider Catholicism to be catholic. The KKK targeted catholics under this belief.
I live in the Bible Belt. Catholics might as well be satanist to 99% of the people here.
My neighbor is the only catholic in the neighborhood and thatâs how the neighbors talk about her.
She moved here from New York for some reason.
but you see, american âchristianityâ is different. maga nuts and the far right would say âbetterâ or the only âtrueâ kind.
and âconscienceâ, well thatâs âconâ+âscienceâ, they donât believe in science, so toss that out. leaving only âconâ which is exactly what their game is.
The Vatican criticised the Nazis as well, but it didnât stop Hitler. The problem is that the cat is out of the bag when it comes to far-right in America. The only way to stop the movement is to counter it politically. But the Democratic Party is either too spineless or simply does not care, or both. They would rather lose to Trump than to move further left.
By your same logic, these super smart âleftistsâ would rather Donald Trump usher in fascism than the rest of us not move further left.
I am not going to explain this to an American for the umpteenth time, the truth of the matter is that, outside of American sensibilities, the Democrats are not leftists. The rest of the world see Democrats as centre right by virtue of their policies. If you put the Democratic Party in Europe, they will have more in common with the conservative German CDU and centrist neoliberal French president Macron.
But they would be a move to the left (coming from the current state, which is Republicans).
But apparently most American voters do not want to move left, not even an inch.
Theyre brainwashed or cowards
Or elitists that make something significantly less bad impossible because they canât have blood on their hands.
The people who didnât vote have more blood on their hands than the ones who voted for Kamala. Basic practicality for the common good is disappearing, just like the capitalists wanted to achieve with their think tank wedge issues and culture wars.
Iâm not sure where you got that I need that condescending lecture. I donât, and itâs beside the point entirely.
My point was that a protest vote or staying home is somehow forgivable to people like you who rage about Democrats when in reality voters chose this fucking horror show. Youâd love for me to believe itâs all the fault of Democrats for being super conservative or whatever, but the evidence in front of us doesnât support that. Itâs just weird speculation in which you choose to blame the party and ignore votersâ bad actions.
Itâs quite easy to see the âif I canât have it my way, trump can fuck everything upâ attitude in voters who say theyâre leftists, but instead you only see it in Democrats.
The working class used to be the Democrat voter base and those on the rust belt voted Obama. Think about it.
Yes, and our culture has changed a LOT since all of that. There is plenty of blame to go around, but I canât not blame people who can literally look up any information in the world in seconds from a device in their pocket, but instead they simply choose to believe whatever horseshit they already believe. No skepticism whatsoever.
Then other voters who donât give enough of a shit to even go vote have the gall to want to be seen as superior for that â because theyâd rather the world burn if they canât get their way. Fuck this timeline. Your previous comment suggests you wonât have to suffer this like I will-- Iâm American
To be fair, ever since Hillary Clinton paid off DNC debt, the Democratic party turned right and deliberately sidelined more popular left leaning politicians like Sanders and AOC.
The voters are as much to blame but in the way you think. Who are the ones who keep voting down building more affordable housing in solid blue states like California and New York? The same self-proclaimed âprogressivesâ who claim to feel bad for the homeless, are the same ones who will object to building more affordable housing because it will bring down their property value. At the end of the day, it is about the bottomline for many people. If you have watched Squid Game, that is the point the show makes. If given enough financial incentive, a good person could turn bad.
Youâre going a lot off hypotheticals. Youâre trying to say the election was lost because some closeted republicans voted in their own interests?
How about the obvious explanations which we saw every day? People claiming to be on the left who voted third party or sat at home. And people who voted in 2020 but couldnât be bothered to vote at all. Those were BAD voter decisions and we know for sure they happened. Grasping at straws to explain the electoral outcome when those are right there in our face⊠Is concerning to me.
One last point⊠are we now choosing to rewrite history that Obama was the only leftist in the history of the Democratic party?
as others have said, consort trump is not catholic so he could care less about the pope.
his spiritual advisor believes in prosperity theology.
imo, if you want to appeal to trump, better talk in his spiritual language, money.
Maybe he could actually do something about it. Like excommunicating those very religious members of the supreme Court that will support it⊠Pipe dream. I know.
The Supreme Court is staffed by Evangelicals, which make up the majority of christians in the US of A
Evangelicals and Catholics consider each other heretics and have done so since the reformation.
Edit: The reformation started after the time period historians consider âthe middle agesâ. Oopsie.
I think barnaclebutt is referring to Amy Coney Barrett, who is openly Catholic. Not sure about the other members of scouts.
