Summary

A federal judge in Boston has lifted a temporary freeze on the Trump administration’s “fork in the road” program, which offers mass buyouts to millions of federal workers.

U.S. District Judge George A. O’Toole Jr. ruled that labor unions challenging the plan lacked legal standing, as they were not directly impacted.

The unions argued the program could harm their membership and reputation, but the judge found these concerns insufficient.

With the ruling, the administration’s unprecedented resignation incentive can now proceed.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    18 hours ago

    We’re a few years past them just making up standing for cases they want to push through and just gaslighting about there being no standing for case they want shut down.

    There was no legal standing in the case that shut down student loan forgiveness, but that didn’t matter because they were shutting down something they disliked. It’s the opposite here, while they clearly have standing, they’ll just be told they don’t by some asshat who just cares for having power over others.

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      Ah, I think I might have an idea about where this “doesn’t have standing” might come from.

      The union doesn’t have standing, because the union isn’t an employee. Employees are members of the union, but the union itself is a separate entity.

      If my guess is right, it would be the absolute stupidest of technicalities.

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        16 hours ago

        Which is insane, because (as has been pointed out), the entire point of unions is to REPRESENT the workers!

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          16 hours ago

          Yes, in contract negotiations, which are not lawsuits.

          They should have gotten a group of union members (employees) to sign on as plaintiffs, or done it as a class action of employees. Maybe they will?

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            You’re right, of course, and I appreciate the angle you are steel manning here. I just also know that those greedy fucks speak money and that’s exactly what they are fucking with in terms of union dues tied to employment and membership, so it should still be clear to any judge that the union has a crystal clear legal and financial interest in the outcome, both of which are topics of particular interest amongst the money-sniffing bunch as they are directly tied to power and influence

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              I dont know what you mean by “steel manning” (as in I’ve never heard that phrase), but I’ll assume it means you’re displeased.

              Make no mistake: this doesn’t make me happy. I don’t even know the actual reason the judge had. I’m not a lawyer. I just asked myself, “If the union doesn’t have standing, who does?” The employees, with disregard as to whether they’re union members or not.

              I am 100% in favor of standing firmly in the way of fascism, and when I see obstacles to fascism fall, I am disappointed. In this case, there exists a way that I can understand it, even if I don’t like it.

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                  Here’s the ruling.

                  My assessment was accurate. AFGE (the union) does not have standing because AFGE the organization is not “directly impacted”:

                  Standing requires the plaintiffs to be more than “mere bystander[s]” and instead requires a “personal stake in the dispute.” … The plaintiffs here are not directly impacted by the directive.

                  Furthermore, there is a second reason the judge states for why the injuction was lifted:

                  Second, this Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to consider the plaintiffs’ pleaded claims.

                  This one gets a little more complicated, but in summary, there is a procedure for how a federal employees union is supposed to navigate disputes. There are two parts to this.

                  Part one is that AFGE must exhaust all “administrative” measures first. Part two is whether “the litigant’s claims are of the type Congress intended to be reviewed within [the] statutory structure.”

                  In so deciding, the court walked through the two-part Thunder Basin framework. Id. (“Under that framework, Congress intended that a litigant proceed exclusively through a statutory scheme . . . when (i) such intent is fairly discernible in the statutory scheme, and (ii) the litigant’s claims are of the type Congress intended to be reviewed within [the] statutory structure.” … According to this complex scheme, disputes must first be administratively exhausted before the employing agency and the relevant administrative review board and any further challenges are properly heard in a court of appeals.

                  According to this ruling, the first step (exhausting administrative measures) is satisfied. The second, however, is not:

                  Aggrieved employees can bring claims through the administrative process. That the unions themselves may be foreclosed from this administrative process does not mean that adequate judicial review is lacking.

                  Now - this is not all bad news. This is a lifting of the injunction, not a dismissal of the case, which I honestly would have expected from a “plaintiffs do not have standing” ruling. To me, this signals that the judge is leaving space for AFGE to bring qualified plaintiffs to the case in order for it to go forward, and I expect they will do that. I also expect that Defendant will move for dismissal on the basis of this ruling.

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                  Not completely off base, but I don’t disagree with the thought process I came up with. I’ll see what I can do tomorrow to find the original ruling and figure out what the judge’s reasoning actually was. Would probably put this whole discussion to bed.