Great that they’re discussing it. Less great that people are still like “no one is ever going to move to Lemmy, so let’s just ignore it and stay on the same or another centralized social media where we always are bound to someone else’s whims”. I posted a topic regarding anarchists staying on centralized platforms some months ago, and it still doesn’t make sense to me that many, often marginalized groups, trust large corporations to be the place where they can organize. I realize the barriers to entry are lower, and that more people are on those sites (so that you can reach more), but it’s still not logical at all in the end.
I hate to say this, but have you noticed how mentally lazy most people are? Using signal is easy. Bitwarden and randomized secure passwords is easy. I can’t get any of the normals in my life to make use of them. It’s too much mental labor to do something different. Something that isn’t forced on you by herd mentality and constant advertising spam.
I honestly think one of the reasons I love Lemmy is because the people that come here are the people mentally active enough to think outside of the cages mainstream social media builds for us.
Many of us were caught up in that trap as well:-(. There’s Mbin if you want the same interface, but slrpnk.net is a perfectly fine instance and if you are happy with it there’s no need at all to bother:-).
I wouldn’t have put it that way, but it’s true that everyone here had to choose the slightly more inconvenient option when deciding where to scroll memes, and for that I applaud you all.
It’s not even “more” inconvenient. I use the same client to access Lemmy that I did Reddit (sync on Android). All I did was download the Lemmy version and sign up.
non technical people don’t understand how computers work. for us it’s intuitive that a computer can have a program on it that listens to a port on the network and serves interactive web pages for for most people “app on phone does something” is all they know. their mwental model is shaped by large corpo offerings.
I think our pitch to the tech illiterate should be “hey look at this great website, great content, mods actually do their jobs, users are friendly” let them sign up thinking a particular instance is just like what their used to, then they discover on their own accord that some users have an extra @example.com at the end, and if they ask explain that there are other websites just like that one, and the websites can exchange messages so it all works like one big website. for apps, just tell them “when you launch it for the first time it asks for your server, just type in the domain name, this app supports multiple websites. good, now put in your username and password and you’re all set”
starting new people off in the browser might be a bit awkward on mobile but saving the federation talk for later is probably best. focus on the surface level appeal (a website that is good and doesn’t suck) and they can learn why it doesn’t suck later
The problem with that is, some instances are just shit, and new users that accidentally end up there will kinda lose interest before learning what instances mean.
Great that they’re discussing it. Less great that people are still like “no one is ever going to move to Lemmy, so let’s just ignore it and stay on the same or another centralized social media where we always are bound to someone else’s whims”. I posted a topic regarding anarchists staying on centralized platforms some months ago, and it still doesn’t make sense to me that many, often marginalized groups, trust large corporations to be the place where they can organize. I realize the barriers to entry are lower, and that more people are on those sites (so that you can reach more), but it’s still not logical at all in the end.
I hate to say this, but have you noticed how mentally lazy most people are? Using signal is easy. Bitwarden and randomized secure passwords is easy. I can’t get any of the normals in my life to make use of them. It’s too much mental labor to do something different. Something that isn’t forced on you by herd mentality and constant advertising spam.
I honestly think one of the reasons I love Lemmy is because the people that come here are the people mentally active enough to think outside of the cages mainstream social media builds for us.
we’re all burnt out from life bending us over. I intended to sign up here for a couple months and onlu just got around to it.
I’m happy you got around to it! Welcome!
Welcome here!
thank you. I used kbin.social before it went down and only got around to getting back on the bandwagon.
Many of us were caught up in that trap as well:-(. There’s Mbin if you want the same interface, but slrpnk.net is a perfectly fine instance and if you are happy with it there’s no need at all to bother:-).
I get your last point but I wish there were more regular people to fill up all the non-tech coms…
I wouldn’t have put it that way, but it’s true that everyone here had to choose the slightly more inconvenient option when deciding where to scroll memes, and for that I applaud you all.
It’s not even “more” inconvenient. I use the same client to access Lemmy that I did Reddit (sync on Android). All I did was download the Lemmy version and sign up.
People always say that choosing a server is too complicated so new users often don’t get past that.
If that’s all it takes to stop people they weren’t very interested to begin with.
non technical people don’t understand how computers work. for us it’s intuitive that a computer can have a program on it that listens to a port on the network and serves interactive web pages for for most people “app on phone does something” is all they know. their mwental model is shaped by large corpo offerings.
I think our pitch to the tech illiterate should be “hey look at this great website, great content, mods actually do their jobs, users are friendly” let them sign up thinking a particular instance is just like what their used to, then they discover on their own accord that some users have an extra @example.com at the end, and if they ask explain that there are other websites just like that one, and the websites can exchange messages so it all works like one big website. for apps, just tell them “when you launch it for the first time it asks for your server, just type in the domain name, this app supports multiple websites. good, now put in your username and password and you’re all set”
starting new people off in the browser might be a bit awkward on mobile but saving the federation talk for later is probably best. focus on the surface level appeal (a website that is good and doesn’t suck) and they can learn why it doesn’t suck later
The problem with that is, some instances are just shit, and new users that accidentally end up there will kinda lose interest before learning what instances mean.