ID: ally @missmayn posted: “the democrats were more energized and organized against campus protests than the current authoritarian takeover.”
ID: ally @missmayn posted: “the democrats were more energized and organized against campus protests than the current authoritarian takeover.”
Can’t escape the braindead c/Politics users even in this comments thread bruh.
People out here still blaming voters as if it isn’t the literal textbook definition of a politician to meet consituent demands for their vote.
Not only was the DNC content in allowing Trump to win, they were content in losing just to protect Israel. a
There’s a lot of unease about this, because some people believe everyone should just vote for the better of the two options; whereas other people believe the option needs to be good before they will vote for it.
Americans were given a choice between two options. One option was clearly better than the other, but the poorer option won, because the better option wasn’t good enough.
It reminds me a bit of the game-theory around the game ‘ultimatum’. Should we just accept whatever is offered, since it is still better than the alternative? Or should we sacrifice our meager reward to spite the person who offered an unfair split?
To a point we can blame voters. What do you think Trump is doing right now? He’s supporting Israel. It’s just that his campaign was full of lies. I’ve seen small debates between people where the Harris voters would try to argue that Trump was pro-Israel, showing tweets from before his campagn that clearly conveyed his political views. Of course the other side was too adamant.
We can also blame American education. Thankfully, I grew up in a good area, so I was taught proper civics in high-school, and taught about political policies and propaganda at my University (it was a GE, I was an engineering major).
Unfortunately the whole Israel situation is a lost cause anyways as both parties will never give it up. It’s an asset for the US in the middle east.
Those textbooks didn’t have one option being a fascist takeover of the country.
What’s so hard to understand that both Biden and the voters are at fault
No, not Biden. First of all, he wasn’t running. It was the party more broadly. By just saying Biden, the party doesn’t have to change, but the voters are naturally expected to change and be more willing to vote for whatever genocidal shit demon the party demands unquestioning fealty to in 4 years.
You can’t absolve Biden’s part in this though, if his administration hadn’t hid how he was just not in a condition for another years of the presidency (I believe even Biden has admitted this now) then an actual primary could have happened. Instead it was swept under the rug until the last second, then they scrambled to get a non-geriatric candidate that was a good pick for the situation but wasn’t picked by voters.
I’m not. I’m just not about to let party leadership off the hook by acting like Biden did this all by his lonesome.
Sorry the system we’ve been abused by for the last 100 years didn’t change over night because you had a thought about it.
Are you?
I am, I want a system that is responsive to the voters needs and isn’t constantly gamed. At the same time, you can’t pretend that is the system we have. We need to acknowledge how it works and work within that framework to get an outcome that is closer to what we want. Outside of that, you’re talking about mobilizing millions of people who don’t want to mobilize. You do both, you don’t just pretend that if you, as an individual, act in a way that aligns with your idealistic view of the world that you will see results. You work within the system to send it in the direction you want while also acting outside of the system to force changes we actually need.
I could go on, but won’t bother if this is all lost on you.