During negotiations with the DNC and the Harris campaign, we were repeatedly told by interlocutors that Harris couldn’t meet any of our basic requests (a policy shift from Biden, a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, a statement distinguishing herself from Trump on Israel, or even a meeting with Michigan families who lost loved ones to Israeli bombs) because of AIPAC-aligned politicians like Fetterman, who might take to TV, rile up suburban white and Jewish voters, and fracture the party’s coalition in a swing state.
That political calculus alienated a key voting bloc, although likely not large enough to have shifted the ultimate election outcomes, that should be part of a durable Democratic majority. But few will ever be held accountable for that choice.
A Fetterman staffer condemning Uncommitted for not advocating for Palestinians ‘the right way’ is like an arsonist scolding the fire department for using the wrong hose.
Well good thing trump is president now eh? Right? RIGHT???
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I’m remembering now why I blocked the hexbear instance 😂
In your mind, what are acceptable ways to pressure a political party that is actively carrying out genocide?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
What are acceptable ways to pressure Trump out of committing genocide and steer the Democrats into opposing Israel? Is that a better question? Because that’s where we are right now.
If the Democrats didn’t want this outcome then they should have run a better campaign. That’s the point of this. Harris was asked at one point how her policy towards Palestine would differ from Biden’s and her response was she couldn’t think of anything.
Not to mention Harris embraced the 2016 Trump border wall proposal and openly campaigned with the endorsement of Liz Cheney. Her most disgusting moment to me was when asked if trans people should have access to gender affirming care, in the context of individual states banning trans healthcare, her response was “I believe we should follow the law.”
Yeah great campaign. Truly a person who wanted to win
Goddamn, that question was, like, babytown frolics! Even I, as a non-career-politician, know the answer which stays true to your principles (insert worried Padme face) without giving the opposition a sound bite would have been, “I believe that all decisions about appropriate treatment should be left up to the doctor and patient.”
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Is this a bit? Nobody here is happy with Trump winning, but you are exemplifying the very reason the Democrats lost so badly. This sort of intellectual dishonesty and over reliance on thought terminating cliches makes everyone who gives a shit about the real world annoyed and off-put. This is the sort of bullshit that makes people happy to see the Democrats lose, regardless of who wins.
The truth is that Harris didn’t give a shit about winning. They would rather lose than do the right thing. The DNC doesn’t care about you or me, they actually have a tremendous amount of contempt for their voters. They would rather “win over” Republicans than do anything remotely helpful to working class people. They don’t want to bother lying that they are for universal healthcare. They don’t want to be in a position where they might have to expand access to abortion. They want to demand your vote in exchange for nothing. They probably won’t reverse anything Trump does in the next 4 years, because we saw for ourselves that they didn’t reverse most of his policies 4 years ago. Except for maybe the child tax credit, which increased childhood poverty by like 50%. The Democrats suck just as bad as Republicans because they are just representing another clique within the same class of billionaires, any “progressive” talk from them is and has always just been performative
Harris lost for many reasons but one glaring reason is the minefield of ding dong purity tests that yall obsess over that are the literal definition of “perfect being the enemy good” and now we all get to pay for it.
“ding don purity tests” like… not committing genocide… got it
edit: also wanted to point out that you served up two more thought-terminating cliches in your response… the democrats aren’t good, they are actually also doing bad things. They murdered something like half a million Palestinians— we all watched it happen— and then they told us, “who are you going to believe? me or your lying eyes?” … All of this was after they dramatically and intentionally created more childhood poverty in their own country. They aren’t “good” at all, they don’t want to be good. They want to serve their own faction of billionaires donors who have a vested interest in things not changing for the better at all.
Yall have failed the trolly problem. See ya at the camps cos I’m out.
“See you at the camps” just comes of as the threat a Nazi would make you sick fuck
You are already mistaken that you have any agency in the trolly problem. You also don’t even seem to understand what the choice was.
This is you, talking about a genocide, one comment after accusing people of not commenting in good faith.
I did reply in good faith. I’m serious that the Democrats ran a terrible campaign and their loss should be placed squarely at their feet. Biden and Harris failed you. But you wanna turn this around on me and call me a conservative or something? I’ve been a communist for 20 years. I’m queer, nonbinary, and probably on various FBI lists of people who show up at too many leftist orgs. Why would you ever suggest I’d be happy about Trump
You know who’s probably very happy that Trump won? Kamala Harris.
quintessential bluemaga
Lol well maybe you’ll start to learn something
What, about how my status as a citizen is under threat? When my partner and I get sent to a gay labor camp? Because yall couldn’t sniff out the bullshit?
look at what they said about the palestinian genocide and then look at what they did. Why would you believe them when they claim to be on your side after that?
Why yes you really should learn that. And you should act accordingly. The democrats are not going to save you. They’ll enable the violence against you. At best they’ll have camps for you with rainbow flags to show how they support you.
I hope we’re wrong about what is to come. You should find your local leftist org. Voting in democrats has led you and everyone else to this point.
The only people standing with you is us.
Here’s something about violence within foreign policy - if they’ll do it to brown people overseas, they’ll have no problem to a marginalized population within their own borders.
A political party who has no problem with genocide doesn’t care about you and they never will. Splitting hairs about lesser evils is what they count on.
Unironically yes, considering that after 15 months of Biden letting the war go on a ceasefire came when Trump took power.
If the Democrats were really passionate about winning, maybe they should have listened to their voter base for once, instead of alienating them. The Dems blame everybody but themselves for their loss and it’s disgusting.
Genuinely. At least so far, Trump is the lesser evil when it comes to Gaza. That could certainly change, he talks like he plans on changing that, but so far Biden did 15 months of genocide and Trump enforced a ceasefire on day 0
I’m sorry, but no, you do not have to hand it to 'em.
Trumps ceasefire is the same as Bidens. A temporary pause before Israel decides to resume it’s ethnic cleansing of Gaza and The West Bank. He will support them to the same or greater degree as Biden. Everyone he’s appointed directly refers to Israel controlling Gaza and the West Bank from now on, having just announced they want Palestinians to “voluntarily” leave.
Biden and the democrats can get fucked, but you don’t have to be a moron and double down on Trump being somehow better. He isn’t.
There was no ceasefire under Biden though.
The ceasefire started before Trump took office, and regardless, both effectively mean the same thing when they refer to a ceasefire. A pause before they both continue to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.
You’re not wrong about the ceasefire being that, but it still is a result of Trump’s people.