The image in your post is of a Nazi, the Soviet army killed more Nazis than any other in history. Tankies is a meaningless word akin to woke, more LGBTQ+ people are killed in the United States than Russia or China combined. When MAGA-fascism takes over the United States and bog-standard Fascism takes over Europe I and every other so-called tankie would fight by your side, yet I fear you would turn us over to the brownshirts. Pick-mes are gonna Pick-me.
The Soviet Union did not kill all those nazis out of the goodness of their hearts, but rather because they were in active warfare with Nazi Germany and thus needed to kill a large number of nazis to win the war. Throughout history, authoritarian “socialists” have backstabbed, betrayed, and otherwise killed anarchists and democratic socialists. I absolutely do not trust tankies to fight against fascism in the United States or Europe in any effective manner. Russia and China are not friendly countries to queer rights, though being gay is legal in both countries they do not have any anti-discrimination laws that apply to queer people and the reason there are fewer hate crimes is simply because they don’t count them. Russia and China are also not socialist, Russia is an explicitly oligarchical capitalist Presidential republic and China has a mixed economy that heavily relies on markets with private owners. This is honestly a good part of the reason I’m suspicious of tankies, the United States sucks but that doesn’t mean that every nation that opposes the United States is automatically good.
And also lost more people than any other nation, and does not exist today. I agree modern Russia is not friendly, you are incorrect on China. There are non-governmental agencies that track the amount of trans muders and they also agree that the rates of murder are dramatically lower.
Compare independant data sources on the average person’s happiness, home ownership, access to quality healthcare, for the United States and China and one can come to their own conclusion that China is better than the United States not from sheer contrarianism. It is clear from the failure of Biden and the electroral trend towards conservatism that the democratic safeguards are not as pure as you make them out to be. There are material criticisms to be made against China, and in fact I personally have critical support for them.
What is your solution for government then if a mixed economy is not viable? One cannot be so lucky as the Nordics to exploit the global south
From what I can tell, China has a low rate of hate crimes against queer people in general, though the culture still has issues with enforcing conservative gender roles (as does basically everywhere else, this isn’t a China-specific problem). For happiness, the data I could find generally pointed to the United States being happier, but I think that measuring such a thing is difficult and rife with systemic issues (Source). China has significantly better homeownership statistics than the United States, I agree with you on that. The United States and China seem to have a comparable number of doctors per capita, with the United States having significantly more nurses. Healthcare in the United States is significantly more expensive, though I think that’s a somewhat unfair comparison as the United States is uniquely bad in this regard; there are other nations with similar political and economic systems to the United States with significantly better healthcare.
I think saying that Biden is failing is an overstatement. Biden has made very unethical decisions regarding Israel in recent times but has also been a very pro-labor president, his NLRB has been possibly one of the most pro-union iterations of the institution in its history. Biden’s approval rating is poor, but that’s typical of modern U.S. presidents. In terms of the general election Biden is polling fairly evenly with Trump, but this far out from the election that could change drastically, and Trump himself is drowning in legal issues that are drastically reducing his ability to campaign. I’m not sure how the 2024 election is going to go, but I think Biden has a decent chance.
A mixed economy is viable, in fact, it’s probably the best type of economy. Most nations that are economically successful have mixed economies. My main problem is that China claims to be a socialist economy when it is not. China has private companies, which are owned by a private owning class. China has a stock market with major stock exchanges, and though its government exercises greater control over private interests it still has private interests. An economy that would at least be far closer to socialism would be one where private ownership of corporations was illegal, all corporations would either be employee-owned or state-owned and within employee-owned corporations, there would be regular elections to determine upper management and to make important decisions. There are other models of how to build a socialist economy, but none of them involve private ownership of economic structures. Beyond the non-socialism of the economy, I also believe that China is not a proper democracy. The only roles that are directly elected by the Chinese people are local legislators, who then vote for the legislators above them and so on. I am strongly against this form of democracy, as it leads to enough abstraction that by the time you reach the national legislator there is a strong chance the local people don’t even know the people being elected. In my preferred model for a representative democracy, the voters vote for every level of the legislature.
Red army also raped more women and children than any other in our written history. Just because they helped clean up some shit in Europe doesn’t make them good guys
Because there are overwhelmingly more tankies than nazis on Lemmy. Most of the rightwingers moved to nostr or whatever after exploding-heads was defederated everywhere and eventually closed down. The Nazis that are left get heavily downvoted, reported and banned pretty quickly. Or are still on/back to reddit. Not saying they aren’t here but they are a LOT less vocal and represented than the ultra-left crowd from hexbear and lemmygrad.
The Fediverse in general is pretty much on the left of the political spectrum. Show me one “conservative” community that is active and where posts aren’t all negative
I mean, the term literally originates as a label for British socialists/communists that were sympathetic to the USSR when they were invading Hungary (pretty sure it was Hungary?)
Cities in China are ranked in terms of population and overall prosperity. So Beijing, Shenzen, Shanghai and maybe some others are tier 1. Then other ones, like perhaps Tianjin and Wuhan would be tier 2 etc. I think India has a similar system, probably because they both have at least one or two hundred cities each
In China it’s also illegal for gay couples to marry and adopt
Most American states only legalized same-sex marriage and adoption in the 2010s. Like America, China has socially conservative older generations and socially progressive younger generations. The country and its people are not monolithic, they’re not some alien land where people are fundamentally different from here. Support for marriage equality is widespread and rising in China, they appear to be on the same track as America.
stop pretending like you care about LGBTQ rights
Stop making paranoid assumptions about people. How is anyone supposed to communicate when that is the dynamic?
It’s really simple, stop cherry picking bits of information to try to make any one country look good. Don’t be a propagandist. Be aggressively critical of America and China for every single way in which they oppress LGBTQ people.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
The image in your post is of a Nazi, the Soviet army killed more Nazis than any other in history. Tankies is a meaningless word akin to woke, more LGBTQ+ people are killed in the United States than Russia or China combined. When MAGA-fascism takes over the United States and bog-standard Fascism takes over Europe I and every other so-called tankie would fight by your side, yet I fear you would turn us over to the brownshirts. Pick-mes are gonna Pick-me.
The Soviet Union did not kill all those nazis out of the goodness of their hearts, but rather because they were in active warfare with Nazi Germany and thus needed to kill a large number of nazis to win the war. Throughout history, authoritarian “socialists” have backstabbed, betrayed, and otherwise killed anarchists and democratic socialists. I absolutely do not trust tankies to fight against fascism in the United States or Europe in any effective manner. Russia and China are not friendly countries to queer rights, though being gay is legal in both countries they do not have any anti-discrimination laws that apply to queer people and the reason there are fewer hate crimes is simply because they don’t count them. Russia and China are also not socialist, Russia is an explicitly oligarchical capitalist Presidential republic and China has a mixed economy that heavily relies on markets with private owners. This is honestly a good part of the reason I’m suspicious of tankies, the United States sucks but that doesn’t mean that every nation that opposes the United States is automatically good.
And also lost more people than any other nation, and does not exist today. I agree modern Russia is not friendly, you are incorrect on China. There are non-governmental agencies that track the amount of trans muders and they also agree that the rates of murder are dramatically lower.
Compare independant data sources on the average person’s happiness, home ownership, access to quality healthcare, for the United States and China and one can come to their own conclusion that China is better than the United States not from sheer contrarianism. It is clear from the failure of Biden and the electroral trend towards conservatism that the democratic safeguards are not as pure as you make them out to be. There are material criticisms to be made against China, and in fact I personally have critical support for them.
What is your solution for government then if a mixed economy is not viable? One cannot be so lucky as the Nordics to exploit the global south
From what I can tell, China has a low rate of hate crimes against queer people in general, though the culture still has issues with enforcing conservative gender roles (as does basically everywhere else, this isn’t a China-specific problem). For happiness, the data I could find generally pointed to the United States being happier, but I think that measuring such a thing is difficult and rife with systemic issues (Source). China has significantly better homeownership statistics than the United States, I agree with you on that. The United States and China seem to have a comparable number of doctors per capita, with the United States having significantly more nurses. Healthcare in the United States is significantly more expensive, though I think that’s a somewhat unfair comparison as the United States is uniquely bad in this regard; there are other nations with similar political and economic systems to the United States with significantly better healthcare.
I think saying that Biden is failing is an overstatement. Biden has made very unethical decisions regarding Israel in recent times but has also been a very pro-labor president, his NLRB has been possibly one of the most pro-union iterations of the institution in its history. Biden’s approval rating is poor, but that’s typical of modern U.S. presidents. In terms of the general election Biden is polling fairly evenly with Trump, but this far out from the election that could change drastically, and Trump himself is drowning in legal issues that are drastically reducing his ability to campaign. I’m not sure how the 2024 election is going to go, but I think Biden has a decent chance.
A mixed economy is viable, in fact, it’s probably the best type of economy. Most nations that are economically successful have mixed economies. My main problem is that China claims to be a socialist economy when it is not. China has private companies, which are owned by a private owning class. China has a stock market with major stock exchanges, and though its government exercises greater control over private interests it still has private interests. An economy that would at least be far closer to socialism would be one where private ownership of corporations was illegal, all corporations would either be employee-owned or state-owned and within employee-owned corporations, there would be regular elections to determine upper management and to make important decisions. There are other models of how to build a socialist economy, but none of them involve private ownership of economic structures. Beyond the non-socialism of the economy, I also believe that China is not a proper democracy. The only roles that are directly elected by the Chinese people are local legislators, who then vote for the legislators above them and so on. I am strongly against this form of democracy, as it leads to enough abstraction that by the time you reach the national legislator there is a strong chance the local people don’t even know the people being elected. In my preferred model for a representative democracy, the voters vote for every level of the legislature.
The Soviet Union also invaded a democratic nation alongside the Nazis, proceeding to then steal half that country’s land and murdering a large number of ‘undesirables’.
Red army also raped more women and children than any other in our written history. Just because they helped clean up some shit in Europe doesn’t make them good guys
There are no good guys in war, just two sides of a conflict. Curious how you never see “Kick Nazis out of 196”.
Because there are overwhelmingly more tankies than nazis on Lemmy. Most of the rightwingers moved to nostr or whatever after exploding-heads was defederated everywhere and eventually closed down. The Nazis that are left get heavily downvoted, reported and banned pretty quickly. Or are still on/back to reddit. Not saying they aren’t here but they are a LOT less vocal and represented than the ultra-left crowd from hexbear and lemmygrad.
The Fediverse in general is pretty much on the left of the political spectrum. Show me one “conservative” community that is active and where posts aren’t all negative
This might be divisive, but kick Nazis out of everywhere.
For real nazi scum fuck off
Oh look Nazi propaganda. I’ve yet to see anything indicating the red army was exceptionally bad compared to other armies in this regard.
Tankies and the soviet union aren’t the same thing though.
I mean, the term literally originates as a label for British socialists/communists that were sympathetic to the USSR when they were invading Hungary (pretty sure it was Hungary?)
defining the USSR in this way (by acts performed under specific leaders) is like defining the USA based on Reaganism or Nixonism or Bushism
I think you have misunderstood my comment in some way.
If by “fight by our side” you mean sell us out to the Kremlin or the CCP, sure.
Modern russia is a deplorable oligarchy, china has trans healthcare clinics for children in tier 1 cities.
Also over a million Uighurs in prison camps.
Based on a survey done of four people by literally a German fascist who believes God gave him a mission to destroy China, sure.
Honest question: What is a tier 1 city?
Cities in China are ranked in terms of population and overall prosperity. So Beijing, Shenzen, Shanghai and maybe some others are tier 1. Then other ones, like perhaps Tianjin and Wuhan would be tier 2 etc. I think India has a similar system, probably because they both have at least one or two hundred cities each
In China it’s also illegal for gay couples to marry and adopt; stop pretending like you care about LGBTQ rights.
Most American states only legalized same-sex marriage and adoption in the 2010s. Like America, China has socially conservative older generations and socially progressive younger generations. The country and its people are not monolithic, they’re not some alien land where people are fundamentally different from here. Support for marriage equality is widespread and rising in China, they appear to be on the same track as America.
Stop making paranoid assumptions about people. How is anyone supposed to communicate when that is the dynamic?
It’s really simple, stop cherry picking bits of information to try to make any one country look good. Don’t be a propagandist. Be aggressively critical of America and China for every single way in which they oppress LGBTQ people.
Nah, actually Hitler killed more Nazis than anyone else in history, including Hitler.
Believe it or not, fascists also kill fascists.