Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.

Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.

Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”

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    8 hours ago

    Sigh. We fight for those on the left and right of us.

    If it was just for me, then why would I suggest training, arming AND organizing?

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      8 hours ago

      If it was just for me, then why would I suggest training, arming AND organizing?

      Safety in numbers is a common delusion.

      If it’s not for you, why the fuck did you bring it up as part of “Well, they won’t take ME without a fight!” macho posturing?

      They aren’t herding me anywhere, without a fight.

      That’s why we arm ourselves, and train, and organize.

      That’s you, right there.

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        8 hours ago

        So, do you suggest going without a fight? Do you not understand how community defense works?

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          7 hours ago

          So, do you suggest going without a fight? Do you not understand how community defense works?

          Jesus fucking Christ.

          You want to cosplay the resistance, read up on how things actually went under the Nazi regime.

          If you and your friends aren’t just LARPing in the same fucking way that “COME AND TAKE THEM” right-wing chuds do when they stroke their barrels over the prospect of fighting off a tyrannical government? That’s great. But if so, all of you should understand that you aren’t gambling that you’ll win your individual fight with the fascists - you’re gambling, first of all, that there will be a fight. And if you’re smart, you’re hoping that there won’t be one - because irregular forces have the greatest success when there isn’t a direct confrontation.

          The chances are pretty fucking slim that you’re going to be manning the trenches on a frontline between Good and Evil. The chances are pretty fucking slim that any safehouse you have is going to last more than ten minutes once discovered by government drones. Most days, in actual asymmetric warfare, your primary concern is the government not noticing you. Because if they do notice you, that’s fucking it. And the fewer scruples the oppressive government has, the less chance you’ll have to fight back. If they notice you, the institution with disproportionate resources and full-time goons to sic on you, they’re going to choose where, when, and how the confrontation goes down, and “Politely, in the daytime, clearly marked coming down the street while you’re on guard duty at the safe house” is not fucking likely to be the result.

          If they notice you, the chances of there being a fight is slim. If they notice you, chances are you’ll be in line for the camps with the rest of us, and no amount of crowing about how they’d never take YOU without a fight will mean a goddamn fig, and nor will any number of your plans about how you and your buddies will heroically defend your community. So stow the macho bullshit.

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            7 hours ago

            You want to cosplay the resistance, read up on how things actually went under the Nazi regime.

            Oh, you mean the Nazi regime where anarchists self-organized and fought the Nazis while everyone else was inviting the Nazis to the Olympics? Or the times that anarchists showed up to put a beat down on Nazis doing a dog and pony show at Madison Square?

            But if so, all of you should understand that you aren’t gambling that you’ll win your individual fight with the fascists - you’re gambling, first of all, that there will be a fight.

            That’s not a gamble. We know a fight is coming. We just are unsure of when it will start. We’re preparing for that.

            If they notice you, the institution with disproportionate resources and full-time goons to sic on you, they’re going to choose where, when, and how the confrontation goes down, and “Politely, in the daytime, clearly marked coming down the street while you’re on guard duty at the safe house” is not fucking likely to be the result.

            We’ve been dealing with that for years already… I mean, how do you think Anarchists ended up in prison in the US already?

            If they notice you, the chances of there being a fight is slim.

            We only need to be lucky once. They need to be lucky every single time.

            and nor will any number of your plans about how you and your buddies will heroically defend your community. So stow the macho bullshit.

            It’s hardly “macho bullshit”… But go on projecting. What’s your plan, btw? Capitulate at the soonest chance?