• Ferrous@lemmy.ml
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    4 hours ago

    So why should Democrats listen to leftists?

    What are you on about? Democrats, in one of the most embarrassing defeats in recent history, literally just made it clear to the world that they would rather lose than cater to leftists. Biden decided that carrying out genocide in Gaza was more important than defeating Trump.

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      4 hours ago

      That’s the usual explanation leftists give. But I’m not sure Democrats should listen to that, either.

      Especially since the largest shifts towards Trump in 2024 occurred in the Latino and Gen Z male demographics. Both of them are more centrist than average Democrats, and they are the demographics that Democrats need to win back in 2028.

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        4 hours ago

        Do you think any of that loss might have been caused by the Dems declaring a great economy, and telling voters to stop whining, and just vote Blue No Matter Who?

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          I don’t know.

          But I do know who Democrats need to win back if they want to win in 2028. And those voters are mostly centrists.

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            Ah yes, the centrists! You know the ones who “both sides” everything, and turns out? They just vote Trump?

            How many more centrists do you think the Dems will need to court? Wasn’t Dick Cheney enough? You know, the war criminal?

            How about, like, maybe just trying to listen to the working class?

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            3 hours ago

            Im dying to know: what sort of voters do you think democrats were focusing on grabbing for this past election?

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              Centrists. The ones who decided this election. And also decided the 2020 election.

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                So you’re saying that democrats focused on catering to centrists for 2025, lost spectacularly, and the new strategy needs to be… catering to centrists?

                The DNC needs to hire you. Something something, the definition of insanity is…

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                  I’m saying Democrats successfully won centrists in 2020 (and 1992, and 1996, and 2008, and 2012) but failed to do so in 2024.

                  They need to understand why. But the solution is probably not “be less centrist”.

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                3 hours ago

                So, by “centrist” you mean Reich Wingers?

                So, to win, they just need to become a more right wing party? I’m sure that’s a winning strategy… Which it may be. Its certainly not a strategy to represent the working class, though.

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                  By centrist, I’m specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males. They were Biden voters in 2020 and shifted to Trump in 2024. Democrats need to win those groups back. And they don’t seem to care much about class war.

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                    1 hour ago

                    By centrist, I’m specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males.

                    That’s not what a centrist is.

                    Have you bothered to look into why younger Latinos and Gen Z males flocked to the fascist candidate? It wasn’t because fascism is closer to the center than the Dems are… Spoiler, go play some multiplayer FPS to hear why.