Multiple progressives lost their primaries recently and blame AIPAC funding. Criticizing democrats for catering to donors. While losing to democrats because they catered to donors.
All while claiming they can win elections better than democrats.
Progressives will continue to lose until they give up their morals and descend into the muck of incompetence and greed like us fine fellows, and take the big money dick that is being offered. You’d be stupid to try any other way of winning.
Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.
‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’
‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’
‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’
It is unironically the voters’ faults if things go to shit in a democracy yes. It sucks that we have bad education but nobody is stopping people from paying attention.
The point of progressives is they don’t support regressive policies
Appealing to oligarchs and embracing the Feudal system kind of goes against their core tenants
If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism? Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?
You’re making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.
If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism?
Because China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted Trump to win and used their propaganda machines to influence the elections. Not to mention billionaires doing underhanded stuff like buying votes. All while progressives fed the propaganda machine with their constant criticism.
Failing miserably would describe progressives’ refusal to work with other ideologies and thus losing elections consistently.
Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?
There is no such thing as a perfect campaign.
You’re making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.
I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.
I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.
You acknowledge the influence of billionaires and foreign governments on our political process, yet you still place the blame on progressives for criticizing Democrats for refusing to challenge those billionaires. Why?
The progressives are the Democrats’ true base, so if Democrats are unpopular with their base and are receiving criticism from them, it’s on the Democrats to respond to that criticism and appeal to their base. If you absolutely must play the blame game, place the blame on those who had the power to do better and didn’t. You can be frustrated about the way people vote all you want, but it isn’t going to change their minds. Only the Democrats had that power, and they refused to do what needed to be done.
I’m not saying what is good/bad. I’m saying what wins/loses. You can be good and lose in the case of progressives. But then you can’t claim you know how to win better than the DNC.
Well, it’s a good thing we ran so fucking far to the right, then. Can you imagine if Harris had listened to progressives? She might have lost the primary we didn’t fucking have.
She lost to Trump because she did what you wanted. Don’t worry. The party will never fucking change.
Democrats have won the majority of the elections since the 90s using this strategy.
How many elections have progressives won?
There were a lot of black/female/indian democrat voters offended that anyone would even consider a primary instead of going with Vice President Harris. All those votes would’ve been lost.
She lost to Trump because that’s what China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted. Whether intentional or not you’re just helping them out by scapegoating the DNC.
You’re putting words in my mouth in order to change the subject to one you’re more comfortable with. In this case, the subject you’re more comfortable with is gloating that AIPAC bought you some pro-genocide primary challengers.
The subject is: “why do progressives think they know how to win elections better than the DNC if they have never done so?”
To which I provided an explanation. They cannot win elections that the party makes certain they can’t run in. Now enjoy the results of the party’s recalcitrance.
Which applies to the party that lost to trump twice as well. In addition, the general election doesn’t have the party putting its thumb on the scale like the primaries do. If the party deigns to have primaries at all.
They got elected despite the party’s interference.
The GOP doesn’t control national elections like the DNC/DCCC/DSCC controls primaries.
Multiple progressives lost their primaries recently and blame AIPAC funding. Criticizing democrats for catering to donors. While losing to democrats because they catered to donors.
All while claiming they can win elections better than democrats.
The GOP will also be catering to donors.
Yes, money is power and power is politics. What is your point exactly?
Progressives will continue to lose for this reason.
Progressives will continue to lose until they give up their morals and descend into the muck of incompetence and greed like us fine fellows, and take the big money dick that is being offered. You’d be stupid to try any other way of winning.
I am very smart.
Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.
‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’
‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’
‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’
‘We are very smart’
It is unironically the voters’ faults if things go to shit in a democracy yes. It sucks that we have bad education but nobody is stopping people from paying attention.
The point of progressives is they don’t support regressive policies
Appealing to oligarchs and embracing the Feudal system kind of goes against their core tenants
This is a fancy way of saying they let Trump win instead of voting in their own best interests.
Are they achieving those tenants by letting Trump win?
If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism? Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?
You’re making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.
Because China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted Trump to win and used their propaganda machines to influence the elections. Not to mention billionaires doing underhanded stuff like buying votes. All while progressives fed the propaganda machine with their constant criticism.
Failing miserably would describe progressives’ refusal to work with other ideologies and thus losing elections consistently.
There is no such thing as a perfect campaign.
I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.
You acknowledge the influence of billionaires and foreign governments on our political process, yet you still place the blame on progressives for criticizing Democrats for refusing to challenge those billionaires. Why?
The progressives are the Democrats’ true base, so if Democrats are unpopular with their base and are receiving criticism from them, it’s on the Democrats to respond to that criticism and appeal to their base. If you absolutely must play the blame game, place the blame on those who had the power to do better and didn’t. You can be frustrated about the way people vote all you want, but it isn’t going to change their minds. Only the Democrats had that power, and they refused to do what needed to be done.
Clearly the solution is just to sell out as hard as possible since there’s no other way to win.
I’m not saying what is good/bad. I’m saying what wins/loses. You can be good and lose in the case of progressives. But then you can’t claim you know how to win better than the DNC.
Well, it’s a good thing we ran so fucking far to the right, then. Can you imagine if Harris had listened to progressives? She might have lost the primary we didn’t fucking have.
She lost to Trump because she did what you wanted. Don’t worry. The party will never fucking change.
Democrats have won the majority of the elections since the 90s using this strategy.
How many elections have progressives won?
There were a lot of black/female/indian democrat voters offended that anyone would even consider a primary instead of going with Vice President Harris. All those votes would’ve been lost.
She lost to Trump because that’s what China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted. Whether intentional or not you’re just helping them out by scapegoating the DNC.
It’s still the 90s, huh?
I was talking about the way the party runs (or eschews) its primaries. You pivoted to international donors.
I’m talking about winning and losing primaries. You’re cherry picking examples.
This is what you initially responded to:
You’re putting words in my mouth in order to change the subject to one you’re more comfortable with. In this case, the subject you’re more comfortable with is gloating that AIPAC bought you some pro-genocide primary challengers.
This is my comment that preceded your quote.
The subject is: “why do progressives think they know how to win elections better than the DNC if they have never done so?”
To which I provided an explanation. They cannot win elections that the party makes certain they can’t run in. Now enjoy the results of the party’s recalcitrance.
If they don’t know how to win elections in the face of opposition, then they shouldn’t be giving advice on how to win elections.
Which applies to the party that lost to trump twice as well. In addition, the general election doesn’t have the party putting its thumb on the scale like the primaries do. If the party deigns to have primaries at all.