• spirinolas@lemmy.world
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    As an European it’s pretty clear now that the US is our enemy. This is just the start. We really need to put our military in order and prepare for the inevitable attack.

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      It’s impossible to catch up to the US war machine in 4 years only. We can only start the process, but I also doubt the US would sit by idly and let us become too powerful.

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        The nice thing is that Trump will replace our best generals and other leadership with utter incompetents.

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            Not so. If a soldier is given an unlawful order, they are obligated to refuse it. If they decide to follow such an order, they are not innocent, it’s on their own heads, and I have zero sympathy for war criminals. Wanna guess how I can tell you never served?

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              You never served if you think disobeying orders is gonna blow over in the way you outlined here

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                Blow over? Who ever said anything about that?

                It takes courage to be a conscientious objector, especially in the face of fascism. Many good men have been murdered for refusing orders to murder civilians. Despite the consequences, it’s the only ethical position possible.

                Refusing unlawful orders is drilled into us in boot camp for damn good reasons. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

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                    Took you a while to craft a response that maliciously idiotic. 8 hours huh? What did you do, sleep on it? What a waste of your time. I remain unimpressed. Stop talking to me.

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              Nobody said it was an unlawful order. Just a terrible implementation of bad planning due to “worse generals” which you were celebrating. And no I have no interest in your guessing.

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        We don’t really need the power to be able to attack the US. Just enough to be able to defend ourselves and that is far from impossible even in 4 years.

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          Attack the US?

          You guys are crazy for even entertaining the idea.

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      As an Australian I wish we’d negotiate to join the EU. Philosophically we have more in common with the EU then America and together is better.

      But we cant even join with New Zealand and od not ne suporsed if the EU didnt want us, I’d not want us, though we do all seem to mostly hate immigrants so we have that in common :(

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        Our previous governments have tied us to the US so tightly that we may as well be a US vassal state. Whatever America’s foreign policy is, is Australia’s policy. Our military is dependent on the US for its equipment.

        It would be great to have more ties to the EU and SE Asian counties but thats unlikely to happen unfortunately.

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        Side note, New Zealand can however decide to join us. The Australian constitution has a provision that a successful referendum in New Zealand admits them to the Federation.

        Given the All Blacks record however this is unlikely.

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      Don’t worry. The US may have the most experienced, well funded, and outfitted military on the planet, but the bafoons at the top keep getting in the way of the military executing a war the way it wants to.

      See: Iraq 2, WMD boogaloo, or the cult classic Vietnam: Congress goes to war.

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        You really aren’t even joking at all. This is what happens when Congress gets out of the way of the military.

        https://youtu.be/rD2C1H-dzzI

        Dude has a channel dedicated to telling the unbelievable stories of what our soldiers have done when the leash comes off.

        Warning: dude is a conservative, so his takes on socialism and communism are what you’d expect

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          I wasn’t kidding in the slightest. If the DoD had executed the second Iraq invasion it would have taken a few days. But Rumsfeld and his croneys insisted on it being done their way, and they didn’t know shit about fuck when it came to warfare. (Note: this may have been because Rumsfeld was lying and committing crimes that, had the military done things the way they wanted, would have been exposed.)