What I want, what we all should want, is for the opposing party to at least come to the table with a) defensible positions e.g. I think we should spend our taxes on Y because X NOT “Trans are icky and need to be silenced” something akin to the (facade) of conservatives of ol’
And b) come to the table with at least an open mind
I don’t see any of that happening with conservatives nearly all the time and I have never seen anyone change a conservatives mind anywhere online. Like I said in another reply, I see it all the time, people on the left do engage with them. Presenting hard data, graphs, solid good sources, well structured arguments in all manner of lengths, all to be hand waved away by the Excuse of the Day™️
Once I was in a Reddit thread (might be Lemmy) awhile back where an expert deprogrammer had chimed in, according to them the only real way (their actual post was much more detailed, I wish I could find it again) to get to a conservative was IRL, through various means that boiled down to (heavy paraphrasing) reconnecting them with a “sense of belonging” in their local community. I specifically asked them how one could do it online, and was told that it’s essentially a fools errand.
And now trying on conservatives I know IRL, they were right, it’s fucking hard even when you have direct IRL access
Right… But it’s the answer an echo chamber? Is that what you want?
What I want, what we all should want, is for the opposing party to at least come to the table with a) defensible positions e.g. I think we should spend our taxes on Y because X NOT “Trans are icky and need to be silenced” something akin to the (facade) of conservatives of ol’
And b) come to the table with at least an open mind
I don’t see any of that happening with conservatives nearly all the time and I have never seen anyone change a conservatives mind anywhere online. Like I said in another reply, I see it all the time, people on the left do engage with them. Presenting hard data, graphs, solid good sources, well structured arguments in all manner of lengths, all to be hand waved away by the Excuse of the Day™️
Once I was in a Reddit thread (might be Lemmy) awhile back where an expert deprogrammer had chimed in, according to them the only real way (their actual post was much more detailed, I wish I could find it again) to get to a conservative was IRL, through various means that boiled down to (heavy paraphrasing) reconnecting them with a “sense of belonging” in their local community. I specifically asked them how one could do it online, and was told that it’s essentially a fools errand.
And now trying on conservatives I know IRL, they were right, it’s fucking hard even when you have direct IRL access
There is simply too much disassociation online.