• adhdplantdev@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    Maybe the political party should have conformed to the pressure of the people who vote in its party. Just saying.

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      2 days ago

      Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.

      Also funny to imagine protest voters being powerful enough to sway the election but not powerful enough for Dems to listen to

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        Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.

        Lol. If we changed our foreign policies to win elections every 4 years we’d have exactly ZERO allies.

        Israel is America’s most important ally in the middle east. We ain’t giving that up for a single election.

        Edit: Ruffled some stupid feathers. Proud of your protest vote?

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          Why is Israel America’s most important ally in the region?

          Is it because they’re a colonial outpost?

          A racist apartheid country is not who I want to be a close ally of my country.

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            It might be because they are a rogue nuclear state…

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          ally

          America doesn’t have allies, we have vassal states and economically enforced consrcripts lol.

          Why do you think all these 3rd world countries want BRICS to actually fly? They’re tired of being held hostage with USD.

          I mean they straight up declared themselves police of the world in the 90s after the USSR fell. And we all know the police definitely aren’t just some systemically corrupt protectors of the wealthy.

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      Who? People go on about how if we just told Israel to drop dead, voters would turn out in the millions, but what actual numbers are there to back it up? The majority of people willing to left the world burn as protest are young and statistically, they don’t vote, the issues be damned.

      The simple reality is that this “Silent majority” of far leftists Internet pundits want the Democratic Party to appeal to does not exist. Biden didn’t try to appeal to these people, because they were never really going to turn out.

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        These numbers

        https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

        By a more than three-to-one margin, Biden 2020 voters who did not vote for Harris say they would have been more likely to have voted for Harris if she “pledged to break from President Biden’s policy toward Gaza by promising to withhold additional weapons to Israel” rather than less likely.

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        If there are tiny in number, then they didn’t sway the election, so your premise is false…

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        Wow they don’t exist but we gotta shit on them because we lost the election…

        This is the same as Republicans saying immigrants will take your jobs and that they’re lazy and stupid at the same time

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      There is no reality in which America jeopardizes its relationship with its most important ally in the middle east.

      Simply not an option.

      So now we get to watch Dipshit Donny give Netanyahu free reign to turn Palestine to dust.

      But if you’re implying that Dems should have lied like Republicans lie and told their constituents that they’d stop supporting Israel in order to get re-elected, then yeah, they absolutely should have done that to prevent what we’re about to experience.

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        Israel is not an ally to the US.

        Allies don’t need to spend millions in donations to Congress and presidental candidate.

        Allies don’t launch and support campaign to attack (anti-apartheid) protesters and candidates.

        Allies, don’t attack US military and blame it on Arab.

        Allies don’t protect pedophile and refuse to sign a extradition agreement.

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          Perhaps they weren’t, but they’re certainly an ally of Trump, so congratulations anyone who didn’t vote for Harris. You won. Israel has their best friend in office

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              There obviously is, thus all the threads like this where trump does something to empower israel that biden didn’t, causing rational people to go “we told you so”, and people like you to go “lalala”

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                On October 13, 2023, The US called up Egypt and suggest that Palestinians in Gaza go to the Sinai Peninsula. Egypt refused so did Jordan. Many people don’t follow what happen day by day, so they miss these news. This exact topic, was going on for a while until Egyptian military build a wall and made it clear they are not going to change their position.

                The plan was openly discussed at least since the 1980s ! so saying that Trump is worst, is not accurate because all US presidents made it clear they will do whatever Israel ask for. It just the democrat wanted Arab votes on the “illusions” they are better because they don’t say the quite part out-loud compare to Trump.

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        What if people are implying that democrats should have just idk not committed genocide?