• samus12345@lemm.ee
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    “Did voting help?”

    “Yes, it got Trump kicked out of office in 2020. But the next time people decided that not voting would be the best option, so he got voted right back in.”

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      You have to energize your base to get them to go to the polls. Maybe the Democrats should try running a candidate who doesn’t suck.

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        They did, he won two terms, and they learned absolutely nothing from it.

        Edit: apparently nobody thinks that Obama energized the base and got people to the polls.

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          Obama is by far the best president we’ve had in the past few decades, but overall he still sucks pretty badly. He was the first presidential candidate who got more than a billion dollars in donations for the race, at a time where Democrats were guaranteed to win no matter who they picked because of Bush. He’s still “the establishment” that American voters hate so dearly.

          Democrats should run a candidate more like FDR (who won FOUR terms as president) or Harry Truman or Jimmy Carter. A social democrat, an actual leftist-adjacent candidate. I would say someone like Bernie Sanders, but that ship has already sailed long ago… Socialist policies are popular with average Americans when nobody tells them they’re socialist.

          Unfortunately, the Democratic party leaders are owned by corporate money so that’s not going to happen. We’re gonna keep getting stupid shit like Kamala’s “tough on crime” and “locking down the border” rhetoric, instead of “universal healthcare” and “zero-tuition education”.

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            I was replying to a comment about the Dems needing to energize the base. Obama energized the base, and they learned nothing from it.

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        “Fall in love, fall in line,” indeed. Guess there’s just no completing with a cult of personality.

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          Not when you have a candidate who supports genocide and was trying to court billionaires, moderate Republicans, and the Cheneys. Towards the end there, I thought, “There really is nothing appealing about her now.”

          Right at the beginning, there was so much hope and enthusiasm, but then the DNC and their consultants stepped in and ruined everything.

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            Mitigating damage isn’t sexy, but it has to be done before real progress is even possible. Instead, we’re running fast in the opposite direction.