• peto (he/him)@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    There is a bit of truth here. Toxic culture and out of touch management will make people walk as well.

    Thing is, there might just be a wad of cash big enough to make me put up with that against my health interests.

    Fuck ping pong tables though. No one left a company because they didn’t have enough fucking table sports. If you think they are then you are the problem. Exit interview your own fucking arse.

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      Around 2012 I had a interview with a recruiter, he asked me what kind of company you’re looking for, and I replied, one without a ping pong table, he laughed at me, I am an immigrant, left home when I was 19, so around 2008 went around in my country and EU, and already understood that whenever a company had a ping pong table it had a shitty culture, so by the time of that interview I already seen more than enough shitty companies, but I remember that interview in particular because the guy started making fun of me, laughing at me

      11 years after, I wish I could speak with that recruiter to see if he understood that ping pong tables are low efforts solutions adopted by shitty-environment companies and if he would laugh at me again

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      One of the best bosses I ever had once told me that people will stay for the culture but leave for money. His philosophy was to try and ensure that money was not a factor in people’s decision, then build as good a culture as he could.

      And to be clear, by making money not a factor, I mean he paid well.

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        I had a meeting years ago with my company’s CTO about my salary. He kicked off the meeting by saying “you care a lot more about what you make than I do” which prompted me to ask for 50% more than I had been planning to ask for. He agreed to it without argument. TBF he was a coke addict married to the daughter of the company’s owner and within six months he’d been divorced and fired, but I got to keep my salary.

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          “Mark, were you playing time crisis 3 in the arcade room again?”

          “Ski safari, actually”

          “You know that the big presentation is tomorrow right?”

          “FUCK OFF DEBRA THIS IS MY PROCESS”

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            Only time these make sense is in sitcoms, and solely to show the workers interacting without doing something as boring as work. Better chances for cammradire if they’re playing Brand Friendly Product Placement or Generic CGi Generated video game on the break room Xbox being played with PS2 controllers than if they’re quietly dragging and dropping files until the new networking software recognizes the drive its in and starts

            In real life, if you’re playing Ping Pong on Company Time your ass is fired.

            Gotta be sneaky about it, pretend your wireless earbuds are hearing aids and just pretend to mop the floor while you’re playing Pokemon Go

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              I think it depends on the company, I work at a software company and you’ll regularly see the big boss playing pool with staff at random times of the day. A bit of non work time during the work day can help the brain come up with solutions to problems.

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        Notice how they’re always empty when they show them to you?

        They don’t even give employees time to play them…

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      “Man, my job pays horribly and the benefits barely cover anything, but they have a ping-pong table so it’s honestly a tough call.”

      I struggle to understand how someone could seriously write something like that question without a lack of self-awareness so dire that a walk to the kitchen would come with a near-death experience. It just can’t be real.

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      I think the truth is that it assuming it’s the latter may not be enough. But the first two are even less likely. Additional responsibilities WITHOUT a raise is very, very unlikely to be what anyone was waiting for to stick around.

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      This is what I came to say. Good management will make people stay for a long time with less pay.

      But obviously HR doesn’t get that lmao.

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      This is it right here!

      Last time a job tried to hire me from my current position, it was all about the money, my company was willing to compete. I stayed with the company.

      This time where I’m throwing applications like campaign pamphlets, I’m willing to take a cut in pay.

      It is shocking how a year can have a company go to the shitter.

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        The flip side is if you can’t be bothered to set aside some money for a ping pong table, as well have the sense to first ask around whether people would rather have foosball, or a proper pizza oven, or whatever the fuck, your company culture probably also sucks. A place for recreation means that you respect recreation and extend enough trust to have employees self-manage their need for it.

        …of course, setting up that place only to have it be a hunting ground for micromanagers preying on unsuspecting workers is not what I’m talking about. If noone ever uses those areas, worry.

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      yeah, the "not necessarily pay is accurate, but the “right” answer being ping-pong table pivots things from “ok, they have some understanding” to “incredibly tone deaf”.