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join_the_iww [he/him]@hexbear.netBanned to politics@hexbear.netEnglish · 6 个月前

The “Fascist” With a Popular Majority | Donald Trump’s victory at the polls will reopen the “fascism debate.” But does a populist whose appeal cuts across diverse groups truly fit the fascist profile?

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The “Fascist” With a Popular Majority | Donald Trump’s victory at the polls will reopen the “fascism debate.” But does a populist whose appeal cuts across diverse groups truly fit the fascist profile?

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The “Fascist” With a Popular Majority
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Donald Trump’s victory at the polls will inevitably reopen the “fascism debate.” But does a populist whose appeal cuts across diverse groups truly fit the fascist profile?
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  • AcidSmiley [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Imagine going through so much effort counterweighing sound arguments to arrive at a completely craven, libshit take like “well actually it’s just right wing authoritarian populism, sweaty.”

  • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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    Yes. Yes it does. Just because Euro fascism historically emerged within a national context (German, Italian, Japanese) doesn’t mean its defining characteristic is that bond to a national monoculture. America isn’t a nation in the real meaning of that term. It’s a state defined not by a nation of people but rather a race category that people of many nations participate in.

    In this sense, fascism in the American context must be far more white supremacist than either the German context or the Italian context because there is no shared nationality among the various white immigrants.

    The fact that the fascists in America are able to include people from non-white race categories is more a factor of just how totalizing white supremacy is in the US compared to anywhere in Europe - the force of white supremacy in the US is so strong that non-white people are compelled to adopt it in whole or in part to survive and millions have done so so thoroughly that they fundamentally incorporate it into their self identity. Such a feat of total dominance of the person could never have been achieved by any of the Euro fascists movements to date.

    • Thorngraff_Ironbeard [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Whiteness is constructed so it makes sense that a fascism based on it would be fluid on who it contains and who it others.

      • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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        Especially given a century of development.

  • Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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    Liberals running into the limits of IdPol is entertaining to watch

    “But guys! Can a LatinX really be fascist?!”

    Probably the same people saying “Israel can’t be doing a genocide because the Holocaust happened to some of their grandparents”

  • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Uh, yes. You know, despite their slight unpopularity, Hitler had his niche fascist collaborators, from France to Russia, and Tojo had theirs, from India to the Philippines

  • NotThatKindOfFedPosting [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Your posting has been especially quality this week.

    horsepoo-theory

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    I fucking hate the word populism

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      It’s the horseshoe for the other liberal hoof beside “authoritarianism”.

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    Facism has been thriving in every single western democracy since at least the turn of the millennium, the alt-right/far-right flavor of it is just a more open, less articulate and less insidious version of it. Facism is the extremism of the middle.

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    Damn, I thought jacobin was good. It was the only place I could find that I could read actual leftist takes online for awhile, before I found this place. But this sounds like it’s super lib.

    • Sebrof [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Jacobin was my gateway into leftism back in the Bernie days, but since then I (and I believe many on Hexbear) have mostly nothing but bones to pick. And somewhat like the zeal a new convert has, I love dunking on Jacobin. Their social democracy, or democratic-socialism, whatever-ism annoys me, and Even here on hexbear you can find examples of their silly takes. From equating all forms of political violence, such as the Trump shooting with Trayvon Martin, as bad, saying that we in America are actually in the most free of societies and that Marx was wrong, and their endorsement of Liberal Socialism he-admit-it.

      They’re an insult to their namesake lol.

      Also their theory journal, Catalyst is sus. And I just see it as the vehicle for the acceptable “left” academics who at heart are liberals and coop leftist ideas. Vivek Chibber, the founder of Catalyst rejects Lenin’s theory of Imperialism as flawed, implying that imperialism is actually divorced from the laws of motion of capitalism. And also rejecting the notion of labor aristocracy.

      Jacobin is just the reincarnation of Kaustky. They don’t shy away form it. They were important to me at earlier phase of my own development, but I think most of us on Hexbear have grown to a point where we have mostly nothing but criticism of them.

      And when the chips are down and the it’s the time for action. The new “Jacobins” will have nothing but contempt for the revolution, for the real anti-imperialist movement, for real de-colonization. They show this already.

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