• VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    The meme is funny, I’m going to acknowledge that first.

    But what are these rankings? Indiana Jones 3 is ranked the same quality as 2. Spider-Man 1 is ranked demonstrably worse than 2. Jurassic Park 3 is ranked work than Jurassic Park 2???

    I know it comes down to a matter of opinion but I also have to wonder if the person who originally created this meme watched the movies, because those are some spicy takes.

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      Most people think Spider-Man 2 is the high point of that series, and sometimes superhero movies as a genre. I think they got that one right.

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        I’m one of them, I’m just saying it’s a closer call between Spider-Man 1 & 2 than this chart denotes.

        (And Spider-Man 3 is not that bad.)

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      The Road Warrior was also way better than Beyond Thunderdome.

      Edit: oops, I meant the first movie, Mad Max was better than BT. I should have looked up the title. 2 was obviously the best of the original trilogy.

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    Strong disagree on Back to the Future. The last one’s probably the best one

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          I agree. Watched the second one the other day after years and this movie did not age well. The portrayel of the woman was unbearable, a massive downgrade from the first one. The racism also made me feel uncomfortable. Nonetheless, I finished that movie again, but even plotwise and in terms of overall cinematic quality, it is the weakest of the three.

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            I’m honestly not sure whether I think Temple of Doom or Crystal Skull is worse. I’d watch them back-to-back to decide, but I really don’t want to do that to myself.

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      1st is at the top. 2nd is at the two thirds mark. 3rd is overflowing with a vangence!

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      Wtf do you mean, part 3 is awesome and has some of the best humor in the series. Sure it’s a bit derivative, but that doesn’t stop it from being a better 3rd in a trilogy than most others. It’s also got a lot of quotable moments, I quote this for just about anything that’s hot

      Well, I suppose if you had a straight stretch of track with a level grade, and you weren’t haulin’ no cars behind you, and if you can get the fire hot enough, and I’m talkin’ about hotter than the blazes of hell and damnation itself… then yes

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        1 and 2 are about even. 3 is a little lower than them, but not by much.

        The first two really are parts 1 and 2 of a story. The 3rd completely changes the scenery, which gives some people the impression it’s not as good. It is though , and it ends the story well.

        Then there’s the fun fact that parts 2 and 3 were filmed at the same time. So the impression the films give is backwards from how they were made.

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          I’ve always preferred 3 over 2, even as a kid. The future stuff and the alternate 1985 are fun, but the third act feels like such a retread of the first one, especially in a marathon situation.

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      I’m considering it better. Not that part 2 is bad, but I like part 3 more.

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      Agreed, the third movie is kinda meh but have you played the telltale game? That for me is now the third movie

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    Awman, I didn’t think matrix 2 and 3 where that bad.
    I remember enjoying them.

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      They made viewers work to understand. Viewers largely rejected that.

      Which has led us, irrevocably, to spoon fed trash that plays to the dumbest person in the audience.

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        I enjoyed all three movies, but there was a lot that I didn’t get until I watched an explainer on YouTube.

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        I disagree, the more texture the ‘real’ world gets the less portent the message. Same with John wick, one they start making it into a movie about the honor system in this world wide assassin network it loses its urgency.

        The power of both is the mystique of the superimposed world, you don’t understand it, but it lends an excellent backdrop to the movie, that is really about something much smaller, self realization and vengeance.

        Once the first movie concludes, the narrative cycle is basically over and a new, more convoluted, plot line gets drawn up that doesn’t feel as important as before.

        The mystique gets filled in with additional detail, which rubs the wrong way with the metaphor, as a new rule system gets put in place in order for the protagonist to re-live the exact story arc of struggle and eventual victory as in the first movie.

        Yet with every iteration it feels more hollow, the emotional pay off subsides. There is no resolution as three needs always be narrative room for the next sequel. It leaves you emotionally drawn out and no expertly choreographed fight scene can fill that hole.

        As it wasn’t about the fight scenes, it’s storytelling.

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      Don’t understand why people dislike those movies so much. Even enjoyed the 4th one.

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        They didn’t deliver on the promises that Neo made at the end of the first movie. They’re quite different than the first film. The 4th one was an obvious cash grab by the studios. The Wachowskis didn’t want to make the movie, and they straight-up tell the audience in the movie that they were forced to do it, or let someone else do it.

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          The fourth was sort of hilarious on that point. HERE’S YOUR STUPID MOVIE! I’d have been pissed if I was expecting something different, but I laughed my ass off.

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            I wasn’t expecting much of anything with the movie. I only watched it because it was free, and I was curious. The messaging about cash grabs, licensing, and lack of style were my favorite parts of the movie. It’s just a shame that it exists and somewhat tarnishes the rest of the movies.

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              Yeah, but you did get to see an angry director have some corporate movie executives write her a check to tell them to fuck themselves in a pretty definitive manner.

              That made me kind of happy, it was a relentless torrent of hate, but it seemed like it was aimed in the right direction.

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        well, on that one, i personally flat out noped out when they had that rotund dude thirst over trinity

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    I am fully aware I’m pretty much alone with my opinion, but I find Terminator 1 far superior to T2.

    Even with the limited budget T1 manages to create a far more horrifying vision of an unstoppable killer coming after you. The lo-fi’ish synth soundtrack sets a perfect oppressive feeling. The casting is perfect, Michael Biehn’ s scarred and wiry Reese with Hamilton’s young and scared next door girl going against metal-Arnold in his prime is the epitome of underdog scenarios.

    And the pacing is very good, the plot flows.

    T2 is a good film, but like many sequels, it suffers from the “let’s do the same thing from a different angle, but bigger and louder!” - syndrome. It doesn’t really get to be it’s own kind of beast. I was very surprised that Cameron fell for the trap, after he avoided that mistake with “Aliens”. Switching genre from space horror to space action made that film stand firmly on it’s own feet and the result was good.

    Lastly, T2 has the young John Connor doing the “badass kid” - role, which so many seem to love. I just find the character annoying.

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      The first one didn’t age all that well. My teenagers can’t finish it. T2 on the other hand…

      Arnold is on his peak here though. He is very very scary. His expression(or better: lack of) , his body language…

      And the police station scene is forever etched in my memory.

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      I think T2 hits everybody that was a certain age when it came out a bit different. Young John Connor appealed to the divorced-parents-latch-key-kid generation.

      Though hard agree the first one was pretty solid. Definitely more of a horror vibe.

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        I was 12 when T2 came out. I remember all my friends talking about how young John was the coolest kid ever, which I never understood. But I have always had a quite different mindset than most men of my generation.

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      I also don’t get the hate for T3. Sure, it has some cheesy humour and the plot isn’t amazing but it’s a very solid action movie.

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    The bars for the LOTR trilogy are only that scale because of how long the movies are.

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    Terminator is a strange one. Cooked with the first movie, second one is somehow even better and then the third one is absolute ass.

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    Back to the Future is, as a whole, the best trilogy on this list.

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        Nope, including the LotR movies. I will die on this hill.

        Specifically, Robert Zemeckis > Peter Jackson. the BttF trilogy was masterfully executed with great plot, pacing, and incredible attention to detail (down to things like e.g. “Twin Pines Mall” becoming “Lone Pine Mall” because Marty ran over one of Old Man Peabody’s pines). Meanwhile, Peter Jackson couldn’t even figure out how to get major plot points like the Scouring of the Shire to work, let alone Tom Bombadil.

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          Scouring of the Shire deserves to cut from the films. Imagine after we said our goodbyes, we get another short movie added on at the end.

          Theres a reason why everyone remembers the Godzilla short film at the end of Jurrasic Park 2

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          Together, we will defend this hill until we slay every last orc, mage, rohirrim, man, elf, big footed people, walking trees (are they triffids?), beast of hell, dragons and what have you.

          WE ARE DARTH VADER, FROM THE PLANET VULCAN. WE ARE ARMED WITH WALKMANS FULLY LOADED WITH SOLID VANHALEN SLUGS.

          And we have a full case of stolen plutonium by our side. It shouldn’t be that hard.

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          My brother in Manwe, you kind of lost some credibility calling Tom Bombadil a major plot point.

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            No, you misunderstood. “Not even X, let alone Y” is just as much about differences in magnitude as it is similarities in kind:

            Meanwhile, Peter Jackson couldn’t even figure out how to get major plot points like the Scouring of the Shire to work, let alone [minor ones like] Tom Bombadil.

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              be that as it may, even “Scouring…” would have been a bad choice to include in RoTK. The ending is already way too long. I would have loved it as fan service, but from the perspective of film making cutting it was the right choice.

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      I’m a bttf super fan to a degree but even I acknowledge the third movie is very weak and better replaced by the telltale game

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    LOTR is the same as star wars. First one is 95%, second is 100%, third is 80%. Way too much climbing and whining in the third one.

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      THANK YOU; everyone (that I’ve anecdotally seen) thinks the second LotR is the low point while so much irritates me about the third, in comparison to the first two.