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Nils@feddit.de to Technology@beehaw.org · 2 years ago

Google's New Web Environment Integrity Proposal Dismissed by Brave, Mozilla, and Vivaldi

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    I can’t honestly see how any other company can single-handedly stop Google if they go though with this. Google has the ability to strong arm this proposal by having Youtube and Google search dependent on Web Environment Integrity. There are enough alternative to web search but I can’t see how anyone can fight Google’s dominance in video hosting to stop them.

    You would almost have to have every other major website intentionally break on Chrome to even the playing field, and if Google still don’t back down you are left with a divided internet.

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      If you oppose this, don’t just comment and complain, contact your antitrust authority today:

      US:

      https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/report-antitrust-violation

      antitrust@ftc.gov

      EU:

      https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/contact_en

      comp-greffe-antitrust@ec.europa.eu

      UK:

      https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tell-the-cma-about-a-competition-or-market-problem

      general.enquiries@cma.gov.uk

      France:

      https://signal.conso.gouv.fr/fr/tel-internet-media/faire-un-signalement

      Germany: @kartellamt@social.bund.de (anti-cartel bureau) of @BMWK https://www.bundeskartellamt.de/DE/Kartellverbot/Anonyme_Hinweise/anonymehinweise_node.html https://www.bundeskartellamt.de/DE/Missbrauchsaufsicht/missbrauchsaufsicht_node.html

      Philippines:

      https://www.phcc.gov.ph/file-a-complaint/

      enforcement@phcc.gov.ph

      India:

      https://www.cci.gov.in/antitrust/

      https://www.cci.gov.in/filing/atd

      Canada:

      https://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/frm-eng/GHÉT-7TDNA5

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        The UK government won’t do anything, they’re probably all for this, assuming they understand it.

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        Thank you. Took the words out of my mouth.

        If all browsers and standards organizations oppose this idea, but Google does it anyway and it succeeds and takes over, can you imagine how easy the anti-trust case will be?

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        Hell yeah. Top of the line comment right here. Thank you

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        Thanks for the nudge, I wrote to the EU registry.

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      What I’m getting from this is that some monopoly busting is sorely needed.

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      EU commission, really. That’s the only way

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        Cause I for sure know us Americans will do jack shit about it

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          You should contact your FTC

          https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/report-antitrust-violation

          antitrust@ftc.gov

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          The FTC has been trying to flex its muscles more recently, the problem is going to be getting through the courts

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      LOL, sorry but if it is control over my computer vs youtube going away my reasponse is “bye bye, YouTube, don’t let the door hit you on the way out”

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        I agree with you personally, but it’s the second most used platform after Facebook I think so it does have an insanely massive userbase.

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        Yeah, I made the same argument and had a bunch of morons talking about how inconvenienced they would be if they couldn’t visit a website.

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      I think YouTube and Google Search are the least of our worries. There will be companies who would have a field day picking up the pieces if that happened.

      It’s everyone else using it that suddenly means you can’t run an ad/script blocker on the ickier parts of the web that really need it. The modern internet is an unusable mess, and only ad blockers make it tolerable again.

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      You know, most major web servers are open source projects (Apache, nginx, …). They could in theory decide to check for the browser that’s accessing a website and just return an error If it’s a variant that supports WEI. Ofc people could fork them and remove the check, but many might just use them as is.

      Just a thought though, this would be a very radical and hugely controversial step.

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