Maybe Harris should’ve made it a centerpiece of her campaign rather than the message of normality, ‘they go low we go high’, and ‘being the adults in the room’ style of ‘bipartisanship’ which appeals to Beltway types and other such Very Important Commenters, but is viewed indifferently by most of the country.
Fuck, man, I’m not trying to assign 100% of the blame to the Dems. This election was fucked from top to bottom, and ultimately the responsibility lays with the American people for voting in fascism. But it’s hard not to be pissed at the Dems for trying nothing new and being all out of ideas.
Well I’m pretty glad they tried something like the IRA, chips, and infrastructure.
I’m explicitly talking about campaigning, not policy. Unfortunately, campaigning matters as much as, or more than, policy, when it comes to winning elections.
Ah, so including the comment I already noted, you blamed abstainers in another conversation. Sorry I was only paying attention to our discussion, in which you did not blame anyone but Dems until the comment I already noted.
If you’re claiming to not put all the blame on Dems I look for evidence of it, and in our conversation I found that was substantially lacking except for the comment in which you claimed it. The previous comments in our conversation did not outline your view in that regard.
Or maybe they shouldn’t have punted on things that had immediate tangible benefits to individuals and then gloat about the IRA which, while a positive, was largely bereft of tangible individual benefits.
Particularly after a very long, very public dismantling of every benefit of BBB and then killing it entirely. And then we saw the minimum wage increase die. So we saw Democrats show their true colors toward people who were struggling, and expected us to be happy with something where the only tangible individual benefit was 10 reduced drug prices for boomers on medicare. In 2026. And increasing the length of subsidies for the ACA.
As far as individuals are concerned, they were picking around the edges and ordering us to be happy about it. People had every right to ask “what’s in it for me?” after Democrats’ golden boy Manchin killed BBB. The answer was lacking.
And calling it the Inflation Reduction Act was a sick joke.
EDIT: I forgot about how Manchin was also the deciding vote to kill the expanded child tax credit, doubling child poverty overnight.
The Inflation Reduction Act or IRA signed by President Biden back in 2022 invest close to $370 billion to combat climate change, and to date, there’s been more than $100 billion in private investment and roughly 100,000 new jobs created in clean energy manufacturing.
Unsure how reducing drug prices for those on Medicare is a criticism…
Continued negotiations between Manchin and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer eventually resulted in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which was signed into law in August 2022, and incorporated some of the Build Back Better Act’s climate change, healthcare, and tax reform proposals while excluding its social safety net proposals.
Calling Manchin any sort of “golden boy” of the Dems tells me everything I need to know about this line of discussion. And that I’m not gonna continue with you because this is venturing more into unfounded personal opinion than fact. I can see you prefer to consider Manchin some sort of instrument Democrats employed to deny people the benefits of the full BBB rather than an outlier of the Democratic party who, along with sinema, voted more in line with Republicans than Democrats. Saying “Democrats showed their true colors” is disgustingly disingenuous.
Maybe they should have put it on the news.
Maybe Harris should’ve made it a centerpiece of her campaign rather than the message of normality, ‘they go low we go high’, and ‘being the adults in the room’ style of ‘bipartisanship’ which appeals to Beltway types and other such Very Important Commenters, but is viewed indifferently by most of the country.
Fuck, man, I’m not trying to assign 100% of the blame to the Dems. This election was fucked from top to bottom, and ultimately the responsibility lays with the American people for voting in fascism. But it’s hard not to be pissed at the Dems for trying nothing new and being all out of ideas.
Well I’m pretty glad they tried something like the IRA, chips, and infrastructure.
Where in your comments did you assign any blame to anyone else but here?
I’m explicitly talking about campaigning, not policy. Unfortunately, campaigning matters as much as, or more than, policy, when it comes to winning elections.
Where in your comments did you assign any blame to anyone else but there?
Didn’t realize I had to itemize my criticisms any time I wanted to bitch.
Ah, so including the comment I already noted, you blamed abstainers in another conversation. Sorry I was only paying attention to our discussion, in which you did not blame anyone but Dems until the comment I already noted.
If you’re claiming to not put all the blame on Dems I look for evidence of it, and in our conversation I found that was substantially lacking except for the comment in which you claimed it. The previous comments in our conversation did not outline your view in that regard.
You know, messaging and all…
Or maybe they shouldn’t have punted on things that had immediate tangible benefits to individuals and then gloat about the IRA which, while a positive, was largely bereft of tangible individual benefits.
Particularly after a very long, very public dismantling of every benefit of BBB and then killing it entirely. And then we saw the minimum wage increase die. So we saw Democrats show their true colors toward people who were struggling, and expected us to be happy with something where the only tangible individual benefit was 10 reduced drug prices for boomers on medicare. In 2026. And increasing the length of subsidies for the ACA.
As far as individuals are concerned, they were picking around the edges and ordering us to be happy about it. People had every right to ask “what’s in it for me?” after Democrats’ golden boy Manchin killed BBB. The answer was lacking.
And calling it the Inflation Reduction Act was a sick joke.
EDIT: I forgot about how Manchin was also the deciding vote to kill the expanded child tax credit, doubling child poverty overnight.
Odd, I find none of this personal opinion resonating in reality. IRA led directly to ~100000 new jobs.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-look-at-the-economic-impact-and-progress-of-bidens-inflation-reduction-act-so-far
Unsure how reducing drug prices for those on Medicare is a criticism…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better_Plan
Calling Manchin any sort of “golden boy” of the Dems tells me everything I need to know about this line of discussion. And that I’m not gonna continue with you because this is venturing more into unfounded personal opinion than fact. I can see you prefer to consider Manchin some sort of instrument Democrats employed to deny people the benefits of the full BBB rather than an outlier of the Democratic party who, along with sinema, voted more in line with Republicans than Democrats. Saying “Democrats showed their true colors” is disgustingly disingenuous.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joe_manchin/412391
Have a good day!
Edit: nice tonal edits to your comment. I definitely won’t be responding to such bad faith discussion.
Edit 2: reading the source I posted answers your question… Highlighted the section you didn’t read.
Got a source on that, or is that just the PR?