Rogan promoted the conspiracy theory that Epps was an “agent provocateur” for the feds, a baseless claim that has led to a defamation suit against Fox News.

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    Vote with your wallet. Deezer is pretty good. I switched to them when Spotify decided I needed Rogan in my life despite their algorithm undoubtedly indicating otherwise.

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      I switched to YouTube music and have been happy with it. The family plan is about the same price as Spotify and includes YouTube premium which has been an unexpectedly nice bonus.

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        I’m kinda the opposite: I got YouTube Red (now Premium) to kill ads and got a music service for “free.”

        With the added bonus of no Rogan.

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          Far far better. While still being problematic capitalist whores. Who will shamelessly chase attention clicks and money.

          There is a lot of trash on YouTube. And some of it is even monetized. You can correct me if I’m wrong. But alphabet has not paid for exclusivity or sought out any of those trash makers. The evil Google does is pursuing engagement. And the best most assured way of achieving that is through controversy and outrage. Google is generally neutrally evil. And while evil. It’s still better then the other alternatives. Though I would genuinely like to see an alternative like peer tube someday be able to supplant them.

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              They’re not pushing it to the top of the algorithms. The algorithms are driven by engagement. And outrage is one of the most sure drivers. You’re attributing far more to Google than I think we can reasonably prove their involved in. Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence.

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      I do encourage everyone to drop all Meta platforms, but generally speaking “vote with your wallet” is ineffectual.

      There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

      Edit: choosing what makes you happier is never ineffectual, but capitalism is not a democracy. You can’t “vote” out a company by choosing not to use their product, especially when that company owns many of the options or has control over the majority of the market.

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        How is voting with your wallet ineffectual?

        There’s a confirmation bias at work here. The shitty things people didn’t pay for don’t exist.

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          A few people voting with their dollars is completely useless. You’re also talking about an international business with more users outside the US than in it, who don’t need to care about Joe Rogan.

          https://observer.case.edu/why-internet-boycotts-dont-work/

          https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/25/spotify-now-has-more-than-500m-users/

          That said, I don’t eat at Chick-fil-A because of their shitty politics. I understand that me not eating there isn’t creating any actual change, but I’m still not going to do it.

          People should absolutely feel free to make these changes whenever they want, but you should realize that Spotify has grown subscribers since you left and they don’t care that you did.

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          I understand it’s an unpopular opinion, but you don’t become the size of Meta without leveraging significant market power.

          Consumer boycotts have their place, but rarely exercise the same level of influence over a company than other methods of activism.

          Meta can easily just buy the next most popular alternative anyway (as they have repeatedly).

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          Yes, but a useful “evil” thing will continue to exist because it is useful. The majority of people value something useful/convenient WAY more than they care about morals.

          OldPersonDiaperSeasoning.com won’t last because it’s simply awful, but Meta/Amazon just won’t seem to die no matter how many people hate it and choose to leave because it is useful.

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          Definitely. Between YouTube and my jellyfin server. I basically don’t watch any other streaming services or live television outside of Pluto, or the currently airing season of what we do in the shadows

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      Recommend Tidal as well if you like smaller artists. The search feature is nowhere near as good, but the curated playlists seem better to me. And you’re top 2 artists of the month, I think, get 10% of your subscription fee directly.