Yeah, both sides amiright?

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        Weird how repeatedly calling for an immediate cease fire and a two state solution in Israel = “Harris genocide”.

        Removed for misinformation.

        March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas

        “Monday’s meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza.”

        July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

        “Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza.”

        September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK

        “Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza.”

        Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?

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          Love you just proving their point on why everyone stopped. Because all that happens is instant bans or removals for pointing out flaws.

          Also how many of those are just her saying submit to allowing Israeli forces to continue killing everyone after a 30/60 day ceasefire

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            The difference is you were shown proof that disagrees with the propaganda that was removed, and your only argument is an unproven suspicion based on the belief in said propaganda.

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              What proof?

              Biden and Blinken have also been working on a ceasefire for the entire year. They’re working the hardest they ever have on it and all we’ve gotten is us building a failed pier to help Israel launch a military attack.

              FYI you can’t use propaganda then claim people are only believing in propaganda

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            As I’ve told multiple propagandists, the support for Israel was for proper Israeli defense, NOT the genocide.

            Nobody, not a single person, in the Biden Administration, delivered weapons with the explicit permission of “By all means, kill as many Palestinians as you want.”

            The Israelis misappropriated the weapons to do that.

            Feel free to blame Netanyahu and Likud for the genocide all you want, they are the ACTUAL perpetrators.

            You should be able to tell this because the genocide started 10/7 before a dime of US aid had been promised or delivered.

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              They’re still sending weapons. You can’t keep giving guns to a guy that keeps murdering people, and then say “I told him not to murder people it’s not my fault”. How would that hold up in court?

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                As long as Israel is under threat from Iran and other forces, we will continue sending them weapons and support. That’s the entire stated reason for supporting them.

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      They’re pretending there was some other possibility besides Harris or Trump.

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        The future is always an open question, my friend. And Harris always had the ability to change her stance.

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          I’ll bet you any amount of money that the next president is either the Dem or Rep nominee.

          I repeated this over and over before the 2020 election. No one took me up on it.

          I repeated it over and over again before the most recent election. No one took me up on it.

          And no one will take me up on it for 2028 either because we all know what’s going to happen. So let’s stop pretending like we don’t.

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            I’m not going to bet against you because I don’t trust you, and also because I don’t bet money on politics. We are already betting various aspects of our lives. Putting a little bit of cash on the line is a waste of time compared with everything else.

            So I guess you win the argument? Not really though, because no one cares about what you’re saying you want to bet against people around you. In reality, you can play the odds, but in the end we don’t care what the odds were. We only care what actually happened, and we don’t know what’s going to happen on account of it not having happened just yet.

            And the other point is that I don’t care what the political party of the president is. I care what the president and their supporters try to push through in terms of policies. Not all Democrats are created the same. Not all Republicans are created the same. And even if they were, which they’re not, politicians and political parties adjust their stances over time, because of course they do, because that’s natural. A label is just a label.

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              I’m not going to bet against you because I don’t trust you, and also because I don’t bet money on politics.

              But also because you know I’m right. Please stop pretending like you don’t know that. Save some amazing and very welcome change to our electoral system, you know damn well I’m right.

              because no one cares about what you’re saying you want to bet against people around you.

              It’s not really about the bet or money. It goes to show that we all know what the outcome will be. People pretend to believe some other outcome is possible, likely even. But when presented with a bet they back off immediately. Why? Because we all know.

              and we don’t know what’s going to happen on account of it not having happened just yet.

              I’m doing too well in my predictions over these past few elections for it to be a coincidence. I know exactly what’s going to happen and so do you. That or I have powers of foresight for a very particular event…

              And the other point is that I don’t care what the political party of the president is. I care what the president and their supporters try to push through in terms of policies.

              Sure… I guess? When it comes down to it, I also don’t care which party wins as long as the candidate aligns with me politically. That’s not news. But you know as well as I do that a Republican is much less likely to give me a public option, real action on climate, institute policies to encourage walkable cities, or any of the other policies I imagine you and I align on. Why pretend like any of them is remotely possible from the Republican side?

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        Exactly. For a country with as many mass shootings as we see we are a soft country. People strap bombs to their chest to achieve less toward their own goals. These brats think major change will happen in a year. The reality is that if you want major change you got to accept that it is unlikely to happen out life times.